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A little over two years ago, I held these opinions: Julio Urias would someday be the Dodgers Ace or Co-Ace with Clayton Kershaw; Jose De Leon would be a close #2; Corey Seager would be an impact MVP-Type Shortstop; Joc Pederson would be a 4th or 5th outfielder (at best); Yasiel Puig had immense talent but we should trade him immediately; and THE TRADE (Crawfish and A-Gon) really hamstrings the

By Mark Timmons2 min readJump to 41 comments

A little over two years ago, I held these opinions:

  • Julio Urias would someday be the Dodgers Ace or Co-Ace with Clayton Kershaw;
  • Jose De Leon would be a close #2;
  • Corey Seager would be an impact MVP-Type Shortstop;
  • Joc Pederson would be a 4th or 5th outfielder (at best);
  • Yasiel Puig had immense talent but we should trade him immediately; and
  • THE TRADE (Crawfish and A-Gon) really hamstrings the Dodgers.

Looking back in the rear-view mirror, like most people, I was right on some stuff and wrong on other stuff. I still have the same opinion of Julio Urias, Corey Seager and Yasiel Puig and THE TRADE is still costing the Dodgers $43 million a year for about 2 WAR.

I was wrong about Jose De Leon and probably Joc Pederson.  I certainly did not expect his power numbers to be where they are, and I am hopeful that he can continue to improve.  I am glad I was wrong about Joc.  I still believe that Jose De Leon will have a nice MLB career, but I see him more as a bullpen-type of guy… setup mostly.  If they keep him as a starter, he will be a #4, at best.  Now, I do realize that things change – maybe he is on a plateau and will advance more in the future.  That is a possibility and I wish him success at TB.

I now hold a few other opinions, in no particular order:

  • Cody Bellinger will be a Gold Glove first basemen who will just keep getting better offensively every year.  30-40 HR and a batting average higher than you think;
  • Yadier Alvarez has a chance to be the best pitcher in baseball.  How he fares this year at AA will give us a glimpse;
  • Alex Verdugo is overrated and somewhat of a knucklehead.  I worry about his conditioning and body-type;
  • Willie Calhoun is a stone-cold hitter,  Personally I don’t think he can play 2B and may not have enough speed to play LF.  The fact that he is a LH hitter, like Verdugo and Bellinger makes him a trade candidate for me.  I know he will hit, but where will he play?
  • Walker Buehler will be a #2 if he stays healthy.  That’s all I can say about him;
  • Will Smith will be a stud behind the plate, but will he hit?
  • Brock Stewart should be a #4 or #5 workhorse guy who give you 200 innings with a sub 4,00 ERA.  Those guys are important;
  • Imani Abdullah has a shot at being an exceptionally good middle-of-the-rotation guy; and
  • Yasiel Sierra is a bust.

And there is one final prediction:  If healthy, Yasmani Grandal will hit 40 Bombs!

On Ryu, McCarthy and Kazmir – I have no predictions, EXCEPT I believe at least one will be healthy.  Labrum surgery is not a good thing for a pitcher, but let’s not forget that Rich Hill also had it.  By the way, I love the fact that Rich Hill is a Dodger… and wants to be here even though he is from the East Coast!  I believe his friendship with Clayton Kershaw will motivate him to be even better in his conditioning.

OK – feel free to pile on! I can take it!

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  1. dodgerrickJanuary 30, 2017

    Fat pitchers are not necessarily a big deal. Going back to the really old days there was…Fat Freddie Fitzsimmons. Recently, there have been Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, David Wells, Livan Hernandez, CC Sabathia, and lots more. Besides, Montas didn’t look THAT fat.

  2. Mark TimmonsJanuary 29, 2017

    I don’t remember and don’t care. Here we are and that’s all there is to it. Must not have been a big deal – I remember the Big Deals.

  3. RichieF.January 29, 2017

    I have 3 comments awaiting moderation. Mark where are you??

    Or am I not invited here?

  4. 2demeter2January 29, 2017

    Watched the Dodger FanFest on TV last night and came away with a few observations:

    1. I’m glad we acquired Forsythe – he has the gamer appearance;

    2. I think Alex Wood is going to have a good year

    3. I felt sorry for Kike, the “interviewers” spent the majority of time talking about nonsense. While he readily owned up to the difficulties he had last year, and the work he was doing to correct some of those issues, they never bothered to ask him what he was doing, nor did they ask him how his Dad was, even though he alluded to off field issues a couple of times. Just based on that interview alone, I hope we see the 2015 Kike this coming year. But then again if we do, where is he going to play?

    4. While Puig may have all the talent in the world, and he is incredibly popular with the fans, it may be time to move on from him. He did say that he was getting a lot of help from JT and AGon on how to be a better teammate, etc and that he was working hard on his diet, but despite all that he comes across as a narcissistic knucklehead.

    5. I’m encouraged by the health prognosis of Liberatore, Hatcher and Van Slyke. Yet it remains a mystery to me as to why athletes are so insecure in their jobs that they play through ongoing injuries, and only confess to doing that after they’ve been put on the shelf.

    6. Ross Stripling is the type of person you want to marry your daughter. He has a great outlook on who he is and what he needs to do to contribute more.

    7. Same is true for Corey Seager. He’s truly something special!

    8. I like Young Joc and hope he continues to get better and better as a player, but man he needs to work on his interviewing skills, particularly his facial expressions. Pretend like you care.

    9. We’re going to miss Vinny, big time!

    10. For Kenley, it was all about the money. For JT, not as much (though he’s paid handsomely).

    11. Alana Rizzo is the best of the Dodger media crew at conducting interviews and she is very, very pleasant on the eyes.

    12. AGon is going to get injured this year and Ike Davis and Darren Ruf will platoon and lead us to the World Series! (Now that actually may have been a dream or indigestion and not something I got from watching FanFest).

  5. TherealtenJanuary 29, 2017

    Van slyke is not going to be a starter. He will be lucky if he doesn’t ge designated. If healthy he can hit lefties and play reserve outfield and first. He could platoon with ethier in left. Ethier is not an everyday player. With his salary they will probably use him in left and right against right handlers. I believe the front office wants Puig in right but he has to perform. Thompson can spot Peterson in center and possibly platoon in left or right. I believe toles will be the odd man out and start the year in the minors. If puig pans out it will be Peterson in center, puig in right. With Thompson platooning with ethier in left. If toles can force his way into the starting lineup then Thompson will probably go on the disabled list or van slyke or be traded.

  6. roger askewJanuary 29, 2017

    Hey Mark, your thoughts on Trayce Thompson. Will they give him a shot to start this year? Also, I really think they should give Toles a shot. Its real nice to have some speed on the basepaths, plus you gotta love the dudes hustle. Those two guys and Joc would be a pretty decent outfield.

  7. TherealtenJanuary 28, 2017

    For some reason the front office kept holding Deleon back from the majors. The last guy they did that with was zach lee and we all know how that turned out. He is far better than lee but it seemed they held the reins awfully tight. I also felt that way on cotton and then he got off to a great start in Oakland so we will see how that plays out. Montas was in line to be our setup man but I think they gave up on him. Maybe not but maybe they were just that high on hill. Reddick was horrible so it had to be hill. montas would have seemed someone the brass liked always hurt but lots of potential lol!

  8. QuasimodoJanuary 28, 2017

    When the baby-faced Joc Pederson first showed up in the bigs he swung at strikes only. He was still dancing with what brung him and it took just as long for pitchers to find a hole as it took for him to work his way out of it. I’m gonna bet the kid will shine bright and pump a lot of fear into pitchers with the more he’s able to put in his bank of adjustments. Don’t sell him short! He has gifts he’s not yet totally familiar with.

    I can almost only go by my eyes but off field and what the player shows to make me just like him plays a part too. Somewhere down the line stats fit in. I don’t have the viewing data about most of this current topic so I’ll probably be mostly just a reader till ST. Oh, I don’t think I score so bad with my method of judging players.

  9. TherealtenJanuary 28, 2017

    Mark, I agree with most everything you said. That’s why I would have added Calhoun for dozier. Verdugo not impressed with. Like bellinger, Alvarez, bueller, not so much on Imani. Keep waiting for Imani to take off and I think this year will tell what we may have. Sierra meh. I like grandal but don’t think 40 is in the cards but maybe 30-35 if he reaches 550 at bats. My sleeper to move quickly is Mitchell white. I think he is an exciting prospect who could show up on everybody’s radar sooner than later.

  10. dodgerrickJanuary 28, 2017

    I haven’t seen any of the Dodgers’ prospects so don’t have opinions based on personal observation. I would only observe the 20% success rate of top prospects making an impact in the bigs, generally, so doubt that all of the guys that you have mentioned will be successful.

    I live in Northern California. In 2000, the A’s AAA affiliate moved to Sacramento. They had 2 can’t miss prospects. One was Barry Zito and I had a chance to see him – he was as good as advertised and was promoted to Oakland later that season. The other was a 3B named Adam Piatt. He had hit 39 HR (!) the previous season in AA and when I saw him, he crushed everything. He developed viral meningitis later in the season and it ruined his career – he was never the same afterward.

    Based on what I have read, I might pick Verdugo as the most overrated player in the Dodgers’ system. His conditioning is allegedly not good and he isn’t considered a CF prospect now and he has lost speed already. He isn’t a power hitter. He might be Andre Ethier, but probably not. Calhoun – as good a hitter as he’s supposed to be, he hit in the .260’s last year in AA. And we know he can’t field.

    Bellinger has given up average for power – check out his stats from a couple of years ago and he hit .300 with 1 HR. Can he hit for average and power? He hasn’t yet. Alvarez doesn’t have good secondary pitches or good control yet. Will he be good?

    As to Ryu, Kazmir and McCarthy, I think Ryu is done. Kazmir can still pitched effectively – his injury wasn’t major. I don’t know if he will ever do it in LA though. McCarthy has good stuff but can’t stay healthy. He might have a better chance at staying healthy as a short reliever pitching 1 inning every other day. Wood – I wouldn’t put him in the rotation. He might be better out of the pen too.

  11. BumsrapJanuary 28, 2017

    Can’t pile on Mark. Can’t argue but might differ a little here and there.

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    I have been a Joc supporter from day one but that was because I liked him and for what he might bring to the Dodgers. I haven’t projected stats for Joc, just said keep him and see if he can shine. I hope he gets 600 PAs for the next 10 years with the Dodgers.

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    Where I differ with you on Grandal is that I don’t think he will stay healthy enough to get the PAs to hit 40 home runs. I think we will know more this year as he finally had an off season where he could workout instead of rehab. I would think that he would have less slumps and be stronger late in the season if he were to share more of the innings with Barnes through out the season.

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    I supported Stewart all last year and agree with you that wherever he fits into the rotation he will deliver 200+ innings with a sub 4.0 ERA.

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    I have said a few times before that Urias / Alvarez will be the next Koufax / Drysdale combination.

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    I don’t have a gut feel for Buehler so I have no comment there. I hope he is a stud.

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    I would still hope to trade Agon for San Diego’s Myers and let Myers play first for the Dodgers until Bellinger is ready and then move Myers to LF unless Thompson owns that position by then. Add Verdugo, $$, and De Jong to that deal and hope it can be made.

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    I agree about Wil Smith. Good speed and good defense. A team can win with great defense up the middle and that starts with the catcher. I would not let Grandal block him.

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    The Dodgers still needs a young second baseman to take the job in 2018 or 2019. Too early to say Lux could be that guy. I would love to get Gleyber Torres from the Yankees. If the Yankees have a good chance to get into the playoffs they will want and need pitching. McCarthy, Kazmir, Calhoun, Imani Abdullah, Oaks in exchange for Torres might get the Yankees to answer the phone.

  12. 2demeter2January 28, 2017

    Let me chime in with my 2 cents worth:

    Cody Bellinger – I agree, I think (hope) that he’s going to be really good;

    Yadier Alvarez – Ramon Martinez – newer version, though not as good as Pedro;

    Alex Verdugo – disagree, I think he is Andre Eithier caliber, with better defense;

    Willie Calhoun – You ‘re probably right, but I want this kid to succeed, he has such a tremendous attitude, you just can’t help to root for him;

    Walker Buehler – he will be good, this year will tell us if he’s going to be a Sherzer or a McCarthy;

    Will Smith – Austin Barnes part two;

    Brock Stewart – agree;

    Imani Abdullah – like Buehler, he will be good, but can he avoid the injury bug; and

    Yasiel Sierra – agree

    A few prospects I like are:

    DJ Peters – he looks like he can mash

    Kyle Garlick – probably no more than a fourth outfielder, but a compelling story and he can hit

    Trevor Oaks – I think he will be an inning eater with 10-12 wins a year type success (I’m totally rooting for him because he’s from my neck of the woods and he’s got tremendous character)

    Chase DeJong – if your marrying Bernhard Langer’s daughter, you’re bound for success;

    Jacob Rhame – he will help out in the bullpen at some point this year;

    And finally, I think Alex Wood is going to be in the rotation this year and do a good job (or actually, he might get traded for a reliever).

  13. Bobbie17January 28, 2017

    I just some some video of Abdullah. Not good. Very hittable. Worse is his demeanor: looks a little lazy; easily frustrated. I think it’s posted on Dodgers Digest. I saw a lot of head-hanging as he was getting beat to a pulp. Still, he’s young guy, but looked overmatched in low A.

  14. BobbyJanuary 28, 2017

    I was actually shocked Calhoun didn’t make the top 100 prospects list. He was on there last year, and sure didn’t do anything to warrant his ranking drop off!! Plus he was MVP of that AFL league all star game

  15. Bobbie17January 28, 2017

    I agree most with Mark’s assessment of Sierra. I saw him this year and was not impressed at all. I thought he would be an advanced single A player, but he looked overmatched at RC. Verdugo is an interesting story. I can’t see him doing much, but the suits seem to love him. He will get big time PT at Glendale. Maybe they will be right. We have a year to figure out Calhoun. If he lights up AAA and plays decent defense, Forsythe can take a hike in 2018. I can’t tell if Hill likes LA or the $, but he seems like a good guy, so my guess is Mark is right with him. He just has to stay healthy. He has a tragic family history, so I am pulling for him. Plus, I like the curve ball.

  16. SoCalGrinchJanuary 28, 2017

    Let’s see if I get this rotation right

    1. Alvarez

    2. Buehler

    3. Urias

    4. Abdullah

    5. Stewart

    with an aging Kershaw fighting for a rotation spot (but making $40m/yr with his extension)….

    ….I can live with that!

  17. peterjJanuary 28, 2017

    Not bad M.T… Not bad… You know me and the TRADE and Grandal with 40 bombs!!! Damn I hope.

    I’m convinced by all of you that Calhoun is a big DH trade pc. in 2018… Work hard young man and light candles…

    I might reverse projection for Buehler and Alvarez…

    ST tix for St. Paddy’s day weekend… Sweet…

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