The Joc Pederson Era Needs to End

Wow, I just logged on and saw some long post with nearly 5000 words by Bluto.

Dude. WTF was that?? Meanwhile (and more importantly), if we go 26-19 the rest of the way, we set the all time NL wins record

One other thing about Farmer being sent down. It’s possible that the Dodgers want him to get regular playing time over the next few weeks, rather than spending his time mostly on the Dodgers bench. Might as well keep himself sharp. I still think he could be a valuable piece in the postseason.

Dodgers looking good from here in Portugal.

I’m glad Ant & Dec got a mention Bums.

Does Pederson have options remaining?

Mark, I’m beginning to think you’re right about Joc. Even with my limited gray matter I could figure out that it’s not a good idea to keep hitting ground balls into the shift. I would think that by now Joc would have figured out that by cutting down on his swing, and trying to hit the ball up the middle, would result in hits all over the field, depending on how he was pitched. But what do I know? Maybe Joc is just a misunderstood genius.

I don’t know anything about Dennis Santana, but reading that piece from TBLA reminds me about Drew Jackson. I remember that when he was acquired from Seattle during the spring, I read that he had a very powerful arm. Having looked at his underwhelming minor league hitting stats, I have wondered whether or not the Dodgers have considered converting him to a pitcher. He’s still young at 24, and it would appear that he probably has the aptitude to make a change given that he’s a Stanford graduate. Anybody know if he’s being considered as a candidate for a change, since it doesn’t appear that even with his power, that he’ll ever be much of a hitting prospect.

I have no comment about Henry Ramos, since other than numbers I don’t have a clue as to what kind of prospect he is, nor anything about his readiness to compete at the MLB level at this time.

Regarding the Hatcher move, and the demotion of Kyle Farmer, I couldn’t really understand the reasoning behind it. Maybe it’s just temporary to provide some additional pitching before rosters are expanded in September. I liked the idea of carrying a third catcher who also has the flexibility to play the infield, especially since Farmer showed poise at the plate at bat after at bat. I like having the option of using one of the catchers off the bench to hit without having to worry about one of them getting hurt late in a game. But maybe it’s temporary, and that the Dodgers have the intention of carrying a third catcher during the playoffs. Or maybe Hatcher has undergone a transformation that none of us is aware of. Since I trust FAZ, I have to believe that there is something perfectly plausible in their thinking.

I don’t know what Agon will offer in the final month+, but with their commanding lead in the standings, and home field advantage in every playoff series, including the WS, virtually assured, the Dodgers have room to experiment. If anything, should the Dodgers manage to get to the WS, Agon, if he is performing well with the bat would be a really good choice to DH in the AL park. And even in NL parks, a lively Agon bat would be welcome, assuming he can play adequate defense at 1B with Bellinger shifting to LF and Taylor to CF. The only thing that I worry about is Agon clogging the bases with his sloth-like speed (although, “speed” is a misnomer).

1. The list was too long.

2. I didn’t cherry pick the list to find negative duos. It is merely famous duos, all of them.

Baseball America has Grandal top 3 defensive catchers in the league. That surprised me. I’m not convinced AGon is more than a .250 hitter right now. I don’t know what it will accomplish to insert him in the lineup on a regular basis. Unless he shows he can drive the ball again, he should be a bench player or occasional platoon player. Still a good guy to have around though. Who goes down? Pederson?

Looks like I spoke to soon as another fly ball sneaked out to LF for a 2nd 2 run HR for Spangenberg and after a walk Roberts had seen enough of Maeda today and goes to the pen. At least it’s not Hatcher coming in.

Give Maeda credit, he has settled down nicely and is piling up the K’s and keeping his pitch count down, he may go 7 innings today.

The ball is flying out today and Perdomo is a ground ball pitcher. The Dodgers are trying to hit the ball in the air, which will work but you have to let the ball get deep and stay behind it against this type of pitcher. Maeda is a fly ball pitcher and he will have to mix his pitches up better and the outfielders are already getting a workout after 2 innings.

Well said Dodgerrick. Posters on this board are not followers. They are very capable of thinking for themselves. We do it without being nasty.

Yes, I think we are starting to push the envelope.

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Let’s disagree without being disagreeable.

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What Rick said!

I am hopeful that posters here can/will express intelligent, informed opinions without personalizing things or being rude to others who don’t share their opinions. That has largely been what has occurred thus far; please don’t revert to name calling, fun making, rudeness, etc.

I think jonah and package are quite the duo. Here are some others.

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Abbott

and

Costello

Abercrombie

and

Fitch

Clothing Store

Adam

and

Eve

Famous first couple

Amos

and

Andy

Situation comedy popular in the United States from the 1920s through the 1950s.

Ant

and

Dec

Anthony McPartlin and Declan Donnelly, popular presenters of light entertainment television programmes in the UK.

Anthony

and

Cleopatra

Astaire

and

Rogers

The famous dance pair of Fred and Ginger

Asterix

and

Obelix

Barnes

and

Noble

Booksellers

Barnum

and

Bailey

Circus magnates

Batman

and

Robin

Beauty

and

The Beast

Ben

and

Jerry

Ice Cream Makers, with flavors like Cherry Garcia. Headquartered in South Burlington, Vermont.

Bergen

and

McCarthy

Edgar Bergen and Charlie McCarthy – Ventriloquist and dummy. Father of Candice Bergen (Edgar, not Charlie).

Bill

and

Ben

The Flower Pot Men.

Bill

and

Ted

From the movie ‘Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure’

Black

and

Decker

Tool Company

Boaz

and

Ruth

Major figure in The Book of Ruth in the Old Testament of the Bible. Boaz is Ruth’s second husband.

Bob

and

Ray

American comedy duo from the 50s and 60s

Bogart

and

Bacall

1940’s movie duo and married couple

Bonnie

and

Clyde

Brahms

and

Liszt

Cockney rhyming slang for intoxicated

Brooks

and

Dunn

Singers

Bubble

and

Squeak

Potatoes and scallions [onions]

Burns

and

Allen

Burton

and

Taylor

Butch Cassidy

and

The Sundance Kid

Western

Cagney

and

Lacey

Cain

and

Abel

Cannon

and

Ball

Comedy Duo

Captain

and

Tenille

1970’s Band that sang “Love Will Keep Us Together”

Castor

and

Pollux

Celestial stars which are named after the twin sons of Zeus and Leda. Both Stars in the constellation Gemini.

Chas

and

Dave

Cheech

and

Chong

Starred in the movie “Up in Smoke”

Chip

and

Dale

Cod

and

Chips

Cupid

and

Psyche

Currier

and

Ives

Damon

and

Pythias

Dastardly

and

Muttley

David

and

Goliath

Dharma

and

Greg

Doctor

and

Nurse

Dolce

and

Gabbana

Donny

and

Marie

Osmond

Dumb

and

Dumber

Ernie

and

Bert

From the Sesame Street TV Show

Fact

and

Fiction

Ferdinand

and

Isabella

Royal Cousins married in 1469 and started the Golden Age of exploration

Flora

and

Fauna

Frankie

and

Johnny

Ballad about a lovers’ quarrel ending in murder. Recorded at least 250 different times (don’t quote us on that).

French

and

Saunders

Comedy Duo

Gilbert

and

Sullivan

Gumby

and

Pokey

Claymation characters

Hale

and

Pace

Comedy duo

Hall

and

Oates

Hanna

and

Barbera

TV Cartoon Producers

Hansel

and

Gretel

Hatfields

and

McCoys

Classic Feuding families from USA

Hollywood

and

Vine

The most famous intersection in Hollywood

Holmes

and

Watson

Jack

and

Jill

Famous hill climbers; not so good at making their descent.

Jeeves

and

Wooster

Jekyll

and

Hyde

John Smith

and

Pocahontas

Johnson

and

Johnson

Ken

and

Barbie

Kylie

and

Jason

Neighbours Australian soap fame. Kylie Minogue and Jason Donovan. Played characters Charlene Mitchell and Scott Robinson.

Lady

and

The Tramp

Disney dogs who romantically shared a plate of spaghetti

Lancelot

and

Guinevere

Laurel

and

Hardy

Comedian Duo

Laverne

and

Shirley

TV show

Leda

and

The Swan

Lennon

and

McCartney

Lenny

and

Squiggy

Lewis

and

Clark

Lilo

and

Stitch

Little

and

Large

Comedy Duo

Live

and

Let Die

Song by Wings from the James Bond movie of the same name.

Lone Ranger

and

Tonto

Lucy

and

Charlie Brown

Lucy

and

Ricky/Desi

Mario

and

Luigi

From the video game Mario Brothers

Marks

and

Spencer

High street retailer

Mary Kate

and

Ashley

The Olsen twins

Mason

and

Dixon

Masters

and

Johnson

Mickey

and

Minnie

Cartoon

Morecambe

and

Wise

British comedian duo

Mork

and

Mindy

TV Show

Mutt

and

Jeff

Mutt and Jeff was an American newspaper comic strip, created by Bud Fisher that ran from November 15, 1907 to 1982.

Oscar

and

Felix

The Odd Couple – played by Jack Klugman & Tony Randall on TV, Walter Matthau & Jack Lemmon in film.

Ozzie

and

Harriet

Parsley

and

Thyme

Peaches

and

Cream

Penn

and

Teller

Magicians

Peters

and

Lee

A successful British folk/pop duo of the 1970s, comprising Lennie Peters and Dianne Lee.

Pinky

and

The Brain

Cartoon characters who have starred in the American animated television series Steven Spielberg Presents Animaniacs, Steven Spielberg Presents Pinky and the Brain, and Steven Spielberg Presents Pinky, Elmyra & the Brain.

Pinky

and

Perky

A children’s television series first seen on the BBC in 1957.

Popeye

and

Olive Oyl

Porgy

and

Bess

Posh

and

Becks

Procter

and

Gamble

Punch

and

Judy

Classic beach puppet entertainment which was suprisingly violent

Ren

and

Stimpy

Rhubarb

and

Custard

Richard

and

Judy

British TV presenters

Rocky

and

Bullwinkle

Rodgers

and

Hammerstein

Rod Hull

and

Emu

Comedy Show ’70’s

Romeo

and

Juliet

Romulus

and

Remus

Twins brothers who were the founders of Rome

Rosencrantz

and

Guildenstern

Sage

and

Onion

Salt

and

Pepper

Their central role in western cuisine dates back to the court of Louis XIV, where salt was thought to whet the appetite and pepper was the only spice not considered vulgar.

Samson

and

Delilah

Sears

and

Roebuck

An American mid-range chain of international department stores, founded by Richard Sears and Alvah Roebuck.

Siegfried

and

Roy

Famous Las Vegas stage show with their white tigers

Simon

and

Garfunkel

Simon

and

Schuster

Publishing Company

Siskel

and

Ebert

Movie Reviewing Duo

Smith

and

Wesson

Gun Maker

Sonny

and

Cher

1960’s singing duo and 1970’s variety show couple

Spongebob

and

Patrick

Stanley

and

Livingstone

Starsky

and

Hutch

US cop show

Stiller

and

Meara

Jerry Stiller and Anne Meara, a husband and wife comedy team, were a big hit in the 1960s and ’70s. Parents of comedian Ben Stiller.

Tarzan

and

Jane

Thelma

and

Louise

Tippeecanoe

and

Tyler Too

Tom

and

Jerry

Great Cartoon Cat & Mouse

Torvill

and

Dean

Ice Skating Fame

Tracey

and

Hepburn

Troilus

and

Cressida

Tweedledum

and

Tweedledee

From Alice in Wonderland

Waldorf

and

Statler

Muppet show!!

Wallace

and

Gromit

Will

and

Grace

TV Sitcom

William

and

Mary

Cousins who married and jointly ruled as king and queen of England from the Stewart dynasty

Yin

and

Yang

Zig

and

Zag

Taylor

Seager

Turner

Bellinger

Utley

Grandal

Pederson

Puig

I agree with you Mark. If Utley asked the ump to move and he was thrown out for that reason, the ump should be suspended. It was wierd. It looked like they were just having a conversation. It is going to be the interesting today to find out what really happened.

I think we all agree we have a better option than Joc. Taylor can play second. There is no question about that. It is just a question where you want to put everyone. Utley is looking pretty good to me. Platoon Utley and Forsythe. Put Agon on first. Taylor goes to center and Bellinger to left. Taylor and Bellinger are going to play regardless. Let Either be the DH and pinch hitter, if he comes back strong.

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I would never move Puig from batting 8th. Why mess with success. Grandal should bat 7th and Agon 6th. Let the two slow runners bat at the end of the line up.

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I would like to see Ramos have an opportunity. I hope they call him up in Sept.

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Hatcher has been reinstated. I hope he is on a short lease. Let him throw about four times. If no good, let’s end it. If good, let him throw some more. Put him in high leverage situations. It may cost us a game or two, but we need to know.

If Agon and Ethier hit when they return there will be no need for Joc on a playoff roster. Eithier can pinch hit and play corner OF moving CT3 to CF or Cody to LF when Agon plays in the field. I agree Joc looks completely lost and out of sync with his swing. His AB’s are woeful and non-competitive.

He’s probably also looking at a trade in the off season for more puzzle pieces to improve depth. Joc, Kazmir, BMac, maybe Ryu might be on the trading block in the off season just to deepen the farm and to further complete the plan by FAZ to acquire MLB ready depth at nearly every position.

Mark

If they are going to have Taylor play centerfield, he needs to start playing it, everyday now.

Because that will give him more experience in center, before the post season begins.

He needs to get use to playing in the different stadiums that we will be playing in, until the end of the regular season.

I know Grandal hasn’t been hitting as well lately, but he did work hard in the off season, and he is doing much better this year, and he is throwing out runners better too, so I give him credit for that.

I like Barnes a lot too, but we don’t know for sure, how well he will hit against rightie pitchers, since he doesn’t play or hit against righties, to much.

And we don’t know how well he will hold up, playing everyday, but I agree, he is a player!

I just don’t understand why Roberts is hitting Joc and Forsythe behind Cody, in the line up.

I would bat them seventh, like where Roberts batted Chase, last night.

And I do think Chase is a much better option against righties, then Forsythe is..

To Cody’s credit, having these weak hitters hitting behind him, hasn’t effected his hitting, because he is still hitting, and hitting in runs.

And I do think we are seeing a better Chase this year, at this point in the season, because he has not over played to much, and wore himself out.

And Chase has made a pretty good adjustment, coming off the bench, so I think Roberts should give him, more playing time, against righties.

Because I think Forsythe has been given more then a chance, to hit righties this year, and he is still not hitting rigthies, at all!

And I don’t think Forsythe and Joc, trying to over work their counts, is helping them hit any better, so I think they need to change their strategy, and stop watching good pitches go by.

They need to attack any good pitches that they get, instead of waiting until they have two strikes, and become easy outs, for pitchers!

Here’s why Cody shouldn’t move to LF: his splits:

1B – .309 (BA), .385 (OPB), .713 (SLG), 1.098 (OPS)

LF – .202, .276, .430, .706

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Leave Cody at 1B. Let Gonzalez come off of the bench.

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Joc isn’t the only regular having a bad season. What about Forsythe?

Forsythe: .236, .363. .312, .675

Joc: .219, .333, .426, .759

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Really – a .312 SLG.?

I’ve never agreed more with a post then this one! Joc must be a good person, but does not help this team.

Puig has earned at least a shot to move up, Agon is the last person we want running in front of the wild horse. Like Mark, I agree Agon should bat 6th for aging and for being a left handed behind Bells does not work.

Taylor

Seager

Turner

Bellinger

Puig

Agon

Grandal

Forsythe

Hell, try the Ramos kid out until Agon returns, just end the Joc era already, it’s been way to long

Totally agree on joc. Grandal is very streaky. He goes into deep slumps but also can get red hot! He and Barnes are a terrific catching tandem. I think our biggest deficiency is second base with Forsyth. Apparently Taylor is not the answer defensively. I don’t know that I am just getting that vibe from posters. Forsyth may be solid defensively but he definitely has no business in the fifth spot of the batting order. How about Barnes at second? Might have to try the wild horse another spot in batting order as teams are not pitching to him now. Against lefties: Taylor cf, seager, turner , bellinger 1b, Hernandez cf-lf, Barnes c, puig, Forsyth the strikeout king. Against right handlers: Taylor cf, Seager, turner,bellinger left, Gonzalez first, grandal, utley, puig

Look for Adrian to be activated to DH against Detroit next weekend.

I am beginning to like Barnes over Grandal.

I see Adrian hitting behind Cody for protection and not to clog up the bases for the speed we have at the top.

Don’t worry Cody and Chris will both be in the line up. The point is that we would be better with Chris in center, Cody in left and Adrian at first. I know Cody is a better defensive first baseman than Adrian who is good and Cody seems to hit better at first. But we will need a productive Adrian through the playoffs. In the series Adrian would DH. This would make our amazing offense even better.

Where in the lineup does Agon hit?

Sorry, I should have also commented on todays post. I agree with Mr. Timmons that Joc should return to Oklahoma City to find his swing and I also think that Ramos should have an opportunity at some point. Chris Taylor has done done an outstanding job and should remain in the lineup in my opinion.

I know the return of Adrian has probably been discussed a good deal here but I would like to know how everyone feels about it now that it has become very close. In my opinion to take Bellinger out of the lineup would be like taking a lot of the fire from the team. I also feel that change for the sake of change is not good. Bellinger is hitting better than I think Adrian can hit at this point in his career. This change is not good in my opinion. Not for any games. Bellinger does not need the rest that Roberts thinks he needs. So goes Bellinger, so goes the Dodgers.

Harper’s Injury:

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/nationals-harper-leaves-game-vs-giants-apparent-knee-injury/