WAR, what is it? Simply a tool used to judge a player’s value to the franchise. It stands for Wins Above Replacement. WAR simply meaning how many wins this player is better than the guy who has replaced him. No Dodger in team history has a WAR higher than Kershaw’s 71.8. That was almost 72 games better than his replacements. There are currently 31 players who finished with a WAR over 100. The 32nd player on the list is Albert Pujols who sits at 99.5. Undoubtedly, the last several years have served to keep Tio Albert from finishing above 100.
Babe Ruth is the all-time leader at a whopping 183.1. That was almost 20 games higher than # 2 Walter Johnson. The highest WAR of this era is Barry Bonds at 162.7. He is ahead of Willie Mays by 6.6 WAR. Mays and Aaron lost some WAR with final seasons with different teams and being used occasionally. Roger Clemens is the highest-rated pitcher of this generation coming in with a 139.2 WAR.
So let’s get to it.
# 24. Pedro Guerrero 32.7. Pedro spent 11 years with LA. Batting .309 with 171 HRs and 585 RBI’s. He played some outfield and 3rd and 1st base. He was Co-MVP in the 1981 World Series.
# 23 Bob Welch 32.9 Welch spent 10 years in LA, starting and relieving. He had a 115-86 record and an ERA of 3.14. His battle with Reggie Jackson in the 1978 World Series was classic. He won a Cy Young later with the A’s.
# 22 Brickyard Kennedy 33.4 Kennedy pitched for Brooklyn from 1892 through 1901. He had a 177-149 record with a 3.98 ERA. Kennedy walked more hitters than he struck out. 751 K’s 1130 walks.
# 21 Jeff Pfeffer 33.4 Pfeffer spent 9 years with the Dodgers posting a 113-80 mark with a 2.31 ERA. He had 157 complete games, 25 shutouts, and 8 saves.
# 20 Carl Furillo 34.7 Carl was with the Dodgers his entire career spanning 15 years. He finished with a .299 average. 191 HR’s and 1058 RBI’s He had a cannon for an arm, and his nickname was The Reading Rifle. He hit the single that ended up scoring Gil Hodges in the second playoff game in 1959 sending the Dodgers to the World Series. Carl was released in 1960 while he was injured. He sued the Dodgers and settled out of court for 30,000$. He never worked in baseball again.
# 19 Dixie Walker 35.1 Walker played 9 of his 18 major league seasons with the Dodgers. He joined them in 1939 as a mid-season waiver claim from the Tigers. He batted .311 in his time with the team and finished at .309 for his career. Walker famously was against Negro’s playing with whites and led the group of players petitioning the Dodger players to not play with Robinson. Rickey traded Walker, Vic Lombardi, and Hal Gregg to the Pirates for Billy Cox, Preacher Roe, and Gene Mauch. All three had signed the petition.
# 18 Roy Campanella 35.6 Campy joined the Dodgers in 1948 and played 10 seasons for the Dodgers. MLB recently added his Negro league stats to his ledger and his adjusted WAR is 41.7 He played 8 seasons for the Baltimore Elite Giants starting when he was 15. He hit .323 in those 8 seasons. He hit 242 HR’s for the Dodgers, which was good enough for 4th on their all-time list, and won 3 MVP awards.
# 17 Steve Garvey 36.6 Garvey, a converted 3rd baseman, became the Dodger’s most consistent hitter during his time in LA. He won the MVP award in 1974, his first full season at the position. He won 4 gold gloves and played 14 seasons for the Dodgers finishing his tenure in LA with .301 BA and 211 HRs.
# 16 Fernando Valenzuela 36.8 In 1980 Valenzuela appeared in 10 games in relief going 2-0. The next season, on opening day, Jerry Ruess could not make his scheduled start, and the rookie filled in. What followed was amazing. The kid won his first 8 starts, 5 of them shutouts, and Fernandomania was born. He went on to win 13 games in the strike-shortened season, winning the Cy Young and the Rookie of the Year award and helped the Dodgers win the 1981 World Series. Fernando pitched 11 years in LA going 141-116. He had 107 complete games and threw a no-hitter.
# 15 Jim Gilliam 40.8 Jim, Jr. Gilliam was a career Dodger. He joined the team and was the 1953 Rookie of the Year. He was very versatile playing 3rd, 2nd, and the outfield. He came out of retirement twice to help the Dodgers win pennants. 1965 and 66. He stayed with the team as a coach until his untimely death in October 1978, just prior to the Dodgers playing the World Series against the Yankees. They dedicated the series in his memory. His # 19 was retired after his passing. He is the only Dodger with a retired number that is not in the Hall of Fame. Gilliam’s adjusted WAR with his Negro League stats added is 45.0
# 14 Gil Hodges 43.3 Gil joined the Brooklyn Dodgers in 1947 for good after playing in 1 game for them in 1943 then spent the next 2 years in the Navy. He played 16 years for the Dodgers, belting 361 HR’s good for second all-time for the Dodgers, and driving in 1254. He won the first 3 gold gloves awarded in the NL. Scored the winning run in the playoffs with the Braves in 1959. He played in 7 World Series winning 2 rings. He earned another managing the Miracle Mets to the 1969 title. He died of a heart attack at age 47 while playing golf.
# 13 Orel Hershiser 44.4 Orel spent 13 years with the team, posting a 135-107 mark with a 3.12 ERA. Cy Young in 1988. 65 complete games, 24 shutouts, and 5 saves. He won a silver slugger award in 1993. Played in 3 All-Star games and won 3 gold gloves. Never the same pitcher after an injury in 1990. He did have 5 productive years after leaving LA ending up with 204 wins and 150 losses. In his last season, he came back to LA and went 1-5.
# 12 Nap Rucker 47.1 Rucker spent his entire 10-year career with Brooklyn. He joined the team in 1907 and won in double figures the next 7 seasons. He finished with a 131-131 mark and was done at age 31. His career ERA was 2.42. He had 186 complete games, 38 shutouts, and 14 saves. A lefty, Rucker threw the first no-hitter by a Dodger lefty ever on September 5th, 1908 against Boston.
# 11 Ron Cey 47.7 Cey became the regular Dodger third baseman in 1973. For the next 10 seasons as a Dodger, he averaged 20 plus HR’s a year and 80 plus RBI’s, He was solid defensively and part of the record-setting infield of Garvey, Lopes, and Russell. Nicknamed “The Penguin” for the way he ran the bases, he was part of 4 pennant winners and 1 World Series champ. He finished with 228 HR’s in LA, and 842 RBI’s. He finished his career with Oakland after 4 years with the Cubs. Cey now works for the Dodgers.
# 10 Don Sutton 48.8 Sutton joined the starting rotation of Drysdale, Koufax, and Osteen in 1966. Over the next 15 years, he won in double figures every season winning 230 games. The most by a pitcher in Dodger history. He never won a Cy Young, only won 20 once, but consistency was his game. He left as a free agent after the 1980 season, missing the Championship year by one. He came back at the end of his career and won 3 more in LA bringing his total to 233 as a Dodger, and 324 overall. Elected to the Hall in 1998. Don passed away earlier this season.
#9 Sandy Koufax 48.9 Sandy was signed as a bonus baby in 1954. So in 1955 and 56, he had to stay with the team under the rule that said players receiving X amount of dollars had to stay on the MLB roster for 2 years. He was seldom used the first two seasons and got into 32 games his third year. In 1958 he moved into the rotation in their first year in LA and went 11-11. He was pretty wild in those days and walked almost as many as he struck out. He went 8-6 in 59, but one of those performances was an 18 K game against the Giants in August. He lost his only World Series start, 1-0. In 1961, he put it all together with a little help from the backup catcher, Norm Sherry, who in a B game in spring, told Sandy to not try and throw every ball so hard and basically just play catch. He had a strong game, and after that, The Left Arm of God as he was called, was the best pitcher in the majors until he retired after the 66 World Series. 3 Cy Youngs, an MVP in 63. 6 All-Star games, 4 no-hitters including a perfect game on September 9th, 1965. 4 World Series rings. A record strikeout season was later broken by Nolan Ryan, 382. Election to the Hall in 1972 on the first ballot. Dodger legend and personally, the best pitcher I ever saw. Hands down.
# 8 Willie Davis 54.6 “The 3 Dog”. One of the fastest players to ever don a Dodger uni. Called up in 1960, he became a regular in 1961. For the next 13 seasons, he was the CF for the Dodgers. Part of 2 Champion teams and a pennant winner in 66. He is best remembered for his defense and speed. He had one terrible game in the 66 series where he committed 3 errors. But that was usually not the case. He finished with a .279 average for LA with 154 HR’s, 849 RBI’s, and 335 steals.
# 7 Dazzy Vance 59.1 Vance joined the Dodgers at age 31 in 1922. At that point, he had no wins and 8 losses in parts of 4 seasons in the bigs. His last was a 2 inning stint with the Yankees in 1918. In 11 of the next 12 seasons, he finished in double figures in wins, winning only 9 in 1926. He finished with 190 wins as a Dodger, the all-time leader until Drysdale passed him in the ’60s. 190-131 with a 3.17 ERA, 213 complete games, 29 shutouts 8 saves, and 1918 K’s.
# 6 Zack Wheat 60.0 Wheat holds many of the Dodgers hitting records. He spent 18 seasons with Brooklyn. His BA was 317 with 131 HR and 1210 RBIs. He stole 203 bases and walked more than he struck out. He had a .819 career OPS and an OBP of .367. Zack was elected to the Hall by the veteran’s committee in 1959.
# 5 Jackie Robinson 61.8. Jackie’s story is well documented. His WAR was recently adjusted to 63.9 when his Negro league stats were added. ROY in 1947, Jackie was a main player for the Boys of Summer. He was elected to the Hall in 1962. He hit .311 as a Dodgers with an OBP of .409, and an OPS of .883.
# 4 Duke Snider 65.3 Edwin Donald Snider. Nicknamed Duke. In Brooklyn, they called him “The Duke of Flatbush” Born in Compton California, Duke joined the Dodgers in 1947 after a stint in the Navy. But he did not become a regular until 1949 when he hit .292 in 147 games with 23 HRs and 92 RBIs. Just a preview of what he would bring to the table in the ’50s. A graceful fielder, he drew comparisons with the other two CF’s in New York, Mays with the Giants, and some kid named Mantle with the Yankees. Always a hot debate in NY over who was better. For the next 12 years, Duke hit double-figure HR’s and had the most HR’s in the major in the ’50s. He hit 40 or more 5 straight seasons, 53-57. He drove in over 100 runs 6 times, leading the NL with 136 in 1955. He won the HR title in 1956 with 43. Finished top 10 in MVP voting 6 times, and was an all-star 8 times. Strangely, at least to me, he never won a gold glove, probably because of that Mays fellow. His power was diminished after he sustained a shoulder injury trying to throw a ball out of the Coliseum in LA. It was also affected by the massive dimensions of the field in right and center. Part of 2 Championship teams and 6 pennant winners. He finished with a .300 BA in his 16 years as a Dodger, 389 HR’s, still, the Dodger record, 1271 RBI’s and 11 HR’s in World Series play, including 4 in a series twice. 52 and 55. No Dodger has ever done that. Seager has the record for HR’s in a single series with 5 against the Braves last year, and Turner’s 12th postseason shot, a HR in the World Series gave him the team postseason record. Duke finished his career with 407. Hitting 4 for the Giants in 1964. Elected to the Hall in 1980.
# 3 Don Drysdale 67.1 Big D was one of the most intimidating pitchers ever. He joined the Dodgers in Brooklyn in 1956 and became a regular in the rotation the following year, winning 17 games their last season in Brooklyn. For the next 11 years, he was their workhorse. He won in double figures 12 of his 14 seasons as a Dodger. Winning 20 twice and a Cy Young in 1962 when he won 25. 8 all-star appearances, 209 wins, team leader until Sutton passed him. 2486 K’s, 167 complete games, 49 shutouts, and 6 saves. Elected to the Hall in 1984. Big D passed away while in Montreal in 1993 while working as a Dodger broadcaster. His # 53 was later retired.
# 2 Pee Wee Reese 68.5. Pee Wee joined the Dodgers in 1940 at the age of 21. He was installed as the starting SS the following year by manager Leo Durocher, who retired from playing actively. Except for a 3-year stretch, 43-45 when he was in the Pacific with the Navy, Pee Wee would be the Dodgers starting SS. He was a good fielder, had decent speed and some pop. He was the Captain, and his friendship with Jackie Robinson eased his way a little. In a much-publicized photo, he placed his arm around Jackie in Cincinnati where he was receiving death threats. Reese, being a Southerner, and embracing a black player had an impact on the team. Pee Wee played 18 seasons as a Dodger and was a coach in 1959 before he left and went into broadcasting. Elected to the Hall in 1984. His # 1 was retired later that year.
# 1 Clayton Kershaw 71.8 Kersh’s story is still being told, but he is an almost certain first-ballot Hall of Famer. 3 Cy Youngs, closing in on the career K lead. A no-hitter, and an MVP. 8 All-Star appearances. A career WHIP a tick over 1.000. Besides his 3 Cy Youngs, he has 6 top 10 finishes in the voting, and he finally got his ring. Kersh at 184 wins and counting. The team record of 233 does not seem doable. And he is out until September and no telling if they resign him this offseason. He is still one of the best LA has ever had.
There you have it, friends. The top 24 WAR for the Dodgers of all time. It will be hard for any player to break into this bunch unless they spend their entire career with the Dodgers.
Man-o-man, Bear – that took some work! Great Job!
We have the Unofficial Dodger Historian here: Bear (Michael). With all due respect to Mark Langill…
We have the Official Dodgers Minor League Guru here: DC
We have the official Dodger Laureate here: AC (Jeff)
We have the Albert Pujols of Pinch-Hit Blogging in 2Demeter2 (Rob)
… and then you have me… Ouch!
BTW, that picture of Clayton with my son was taken in Clayton’s Rookie Year. Stephen (now it’s Steve) is now 22. Clayton gave him a signed ball and soon I plan to see if I can get a picture of them again.
Thank you Mark.
Cody’s shoulder is getting stronger:
Corey Knebel says he is “full go.”
Poor Kaybear is hitting .136 at Rochester. He wanted to be a Dodger so bad. He will get over this bump in the road.
Why is he in Rochester? He’s the best catcher they’ve got and they send him to Rochester? I’ve been to Rochester. That’s where you send people you don’t like.
What a great list. Where’s Piazza and Martinez?
Ok, we’re doing our part. Why come the giants aren’t doing there’s? They are 8-2. Time for a hiccup dammit.
Mike Piazza was not with the Dodgers long enough to generate a high enough WAR in that time. Pedro was only a Dodger for little over 1 year. But since you asked, Pizza was at 59.5, Pedro 83.9
Yeah. I know. I was being sarcastic.
Great information Bear. Kershaw a definite first ballot HOF er but not unanimous due to some bumps in the road in the playoffs and World Series with some biased writers. Hopefully Mitchell White can give us some quality innings and not have to tax the bullpen going into New York this weekend for this early East coast start time of 1PM.
Just read where ESPN has changed the Dodger/Met game to a Sunday night game at 7PM East Coast time and after the game,the Dodgers have to fly back to California and face the Pirates on Monday night with no off day. Another stupid blunder in scheduling by MLB and ESPN in changing the time. It’s all about the f’n money and not about the players.When they have to fly coast to coast, there should be a day off.
Manfred and Torre hate the Dodgers. It is what it is. They’re also setting the record for consecutive administrative leaves with “The Player who shall not be named”.
Agree thats totally BS. And did you check the Padres schedule. They get a Sunday off day in Late August, a SUNDAY OFF DAY…..
Lets bring the sticks today.
Totally agree.
You learn something new every day. Thanks for a great article Bear, I had no idea that “The Duke” was from Compton, CA.Duke, DiMaggio and Mays, that must have caused a lot of arguments back in the day on the streets of NY.
I hope everyone is up bright and early today with brooms in hand. The yard needs to be swept.
Don’t worry Mark, K-Bear will figure it out.
I’m really happy for Belli, he’s looking like he’s having some fun again. He even moved up a couple spots in the lineup and delivered possibly his best game of the year with his bat and with a great catch to put a cherry on top.
No Eric, Price’s OPS went down to 771 overall and is 656 in his last month or so. Take out those first two games of the season and Price is having a very nice year.
I think Mark is onto something with all the soft tissue injuries this year. I can’t see how having a short season last year would be the culprit. It must be something else.
Damn, I’m rooting for Albert to keep moving up that all time homers list. He just barely missed one last night, but C’mon man, you got to do better than a single! Albert has made a grip of cash over his career. I hope he just wants to come back to the Dodgers next year in the same role on the cheap. Just 24 more! Can he get there? Maybe he should try the JT diet.
I’m expecting White to get the call up today. One of these days it’s going to click for him. He has the tools to be a solid starting pitcher.
Pollock is possibly the best pure hitter on the team right now. He’s doing it all with the bat and his numbers are remarkable similar to Mookie Betts. People still want to trade him?
Just three and a half hours until game time!
DiMaggio was done by 51. So it was always, Willie, Mickey and the Duke. Snider went to Compton High.
The Dodger Bullpen just pulled into 5th place in ERA for all of MLB… and they will go even higher.
The White Sox bullpen is 14th despite getting Hendriks and Kimbrel and having Aaron Bummer. Remember what I told you about Kimbrel?
He had a 0.49 ERA with the Cubs and moved to the South Side of Chicago where his ERA sits at 5.79! I told you so!
Where are all the geniuses who know how to build bullpens? 😉
One bad game all year and it came against his former team, by the way, the ChiSox still won. I’ll take that over 3 blown saves in a row after the All-Star break. Geesh!
Dodgers Designate Kevin Quackenbush For Assignment
By Steve Adams | August 12, 2021 at 9:31am CDT
The Dodgers have recalled righty Mitch White from Triple-A Oklahoma City and opened a spot on the roster by designating right-hander Kevin Quackenbush for assignment, tweets Fabian Ardaya of The Athletic.
I am now placing all my pessimism on the Giants for the last month and a half. I’m only optimistic for the Blue crew. Belli is hitting again and Kenley hasn’t blown a save in over a week now. And Roberts is a genius- because the bullpen is performing. If only I would have started earlier! And great write up Bear. What an addition to a great group of writers- and you too Mark. Thank you guys for making this such an incredible site!
DODGERS RECALL RHP MITCH WHITE
LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles Dodgers recalled right-handed pitcher Mitch White and designated right-handed pitcher Kevin Quackenbush for assignment.
White, 25, will be recalled for the sixth time this season and make his second career start this afternoon. On the season, he is 0-0 with a 3.75 ERA (10 ER/24.0 IP) and 25 strikeouts in 15 games for the Dodgers. The former second rounder out of Santa Clara University is 1-0 with a 3.33 ERA (10 ER/27.0 IP) in 17 career MLB games. In five minor league seasons with the Dodgers, he is a combined 15-15 with a 3.84 ERA and 339 strikeouts in 83 games (72 starts).
Quackenbush, 32, appeared in one game for the Dodgers, allowing one run in 0.1 innings of work. He was 1-5 with a 0.61 ERA (2 ER/29.1 IP) with 30 strikeouts in 30 games with Triple-A Oklahoma City prior to being called up. In his Major League career, spanning five years in San Diego (2014-2017) , Cincinnati (2018) and Los Angeles (2021), he is 13-15 with a 4.41 ERA (102 ER/208.0 IP) with 187 strikeouts. He was acquired by the Dodgers as a minor league free agent on May 5, 2021.
And to think that Vance did all that after the age of 31! Wow!
I have always found that amazing. And Robinson was 28 when he broke in.
Today’s 1PM East Coast time starting lineup:
2B Trea Turner R
3B Max Muncy L
1B A. Pujols R
LF AJ Pollock R
SS Corey Seager L
RF Chris Taylor R
CF C. Bellinger L
C A. Barnes R
P Mitch White R
Another great article Bear. You keep pumping them out one after the other!
Wasn’t able to see all of last night’s game, saw it up until the rain delay due to catching a fast moving flu bug.
It was so bad that I went to the Doctor , which I never do and only go for my yearly physical as I hate seeing Doctor’s. Turns out it was just a bad flu bug but they did test me for Covid since it was a Covid symptom and the test came back negative which I was thankful for. I was able to go for my daily 3 mile walk today so I was able to sweat what ever evilness entered my body out some more.
Ready for the game tonight in Dyersville Iowa between Yankees and White Sox. Have to root for the Sox though. Still can’t believe there is an actual MLB game in this small town area. I played many a game and years in the Dyersville/Dubuque Iowa are and even more in the Southwest Wisconsin and Northern Illinois area so this will be fun for me to watch tonight. I hope some of you watch as well. Wasn’t able to get any tickets though so I will be watching on TV and Mark didn’t send me any corporate tickets, just kidding, haha.
The game is not on the actual field that was filmed in the movie Field of Dreams, they actually built another field next to it with better MLB spec’s and I did read where they may even have another future MLB game there down the road.
I agree Andrew Vincent Forte about Sunday night’s game in New York and then having to fly 3 timezones across the U.S., what a joke, shook my head when I saw that.
I agree BulldogsAndPenguins about MLB role in keeping Bauer on Administrative leave. At some point make a decision, they made one in Marcelle Ozuna’s and Starlin Castro’s case. I could be wrong as it may still be up to the local authorities but some one make a decision and let’s move on.
They are wearing throwback uni’s also.
Another grand slam Bear.
I must admit I am not a WAR fan as a baseball statistic. However, with all stats I am pleased Duke rates highly and I love it that Pee Wee is No. 2.
My concern with WAR is that I simply don’t understand how wins against replacement can be accurately calculated unless all of the variables are the same in any comparison. That is, hitting against the same pitcher in the same park with the same weather conditions, etc. The same with pitching with the same conditions including the same defense and the same umpire. If the variables are different, which they are in so many ways, I simply don’t understand how one player can be determined to have more wins against replacementvalue than the one to which he is being compared. I can see by simple stats that one player would wins more games but determining it in decimal points is beyond me.
I like visible stats such as on base percentage and inherited runners stranded. I am more fond of WHIP as a pitcher stat than ERA as I see ERA somewhat of a team stat reliiant more on the defense and managing strategy such as the shift.
I expect my problem with WAR is my lack of knowledge regarding it and my hesitancy to research it more.
All of what you like (and a lot more) goes into producing WAR.
I think the important thing to remember about WAR is it doesn’t matter what fans think, team’s management love it. It’s how they evaluate a players ability and worth. You produce a WAR above 0 you will be paid. And with each additional WAR point, you will be paid a lot more.
Okay
On the count of four
As loud as you can
You’ll say, “War”
I’ll say, “Huh, yeah”
You’ll say, “What is it good for?”
I’ll say, “Absolutely”
You’ll say, “Nothing”
Have you got that? (Yes!)
I didn’t hear you, have you got that? (Yes!)
One, two, three, four
huh yeah
(What is it good for?)
Absolutely (nothing), yeah, yeah
Whoa, whoa, whoa, yeah
(What is it good for?)
Alright, bring it in
-Edwin Starr
Thanks Badger.
It is like many things in life, not for me to know or understand. I guess the science teacher in me tells me you have to control the variables to have a good experiment and I don’t see how the variables can be contollled in comparing players. However, I expect as you say, much more goes into WAR and there must be a formula they use.
Oh, science guy huh? I respect that
Here you go:
https://library.fangraphs.com/war/war-position-players/
There’s one for pitchers too.
https://library.fangraphs.com/calculating-pitcher-war-a-complete-example/
Enjoy professor.
Thank you.
I see the formulae. It seems that WAR is simply calculated by using the hitting and pitching formula and is not relative to any other player because they all play in different circumstances.
Here’s my problem . This from Fangraphs.
● WAR is context neutral, meaning players do not get additional credit for hitting with men on base or in high leverage situations.
I don’t really think player value is context neutral. We all love good batting averages with two-out, two strikes and with RISP. It doesn’t get much more context relevant than that. Everything that happens in the game is context relevant, such as the shift, lefty-righty match ups, hit and run, intentional walks, etc.
● WAR is an estimate of value and should be treated as the center of a range of possibilities rather than a precise measure.
WAR is an estimate. OBP is not an estimate nor is inhertited runners stranded. They are value added when players produce in those situations.
In any event, thanks for the help Badger. I appreciate it. I most likely will never be a convert to WAR and use it as a yard stick to measure any player’s value but at least I understand its derivation more clearly now. That in itself is a positive.
DC, I don’t pretend to be an expert on how these numbers are calculated but my understanding is situational hitting is included in the formulas. The articles posted are from years ago and though the basic formulas have remained the same, some weighted additions have been increased in them.
http://www.tangotiger.net/lwbymob.htm
LA Times
DODGERS
Trevor Bauer case: ‘No settlements or cash offers,’ his attorneys say
Trevor Bauer and his attorneys would like to make one thing perfectly clear: The Dodgers pitcher does not plan to discuss a financial settlement with the woman who has accused him of sexual assault.
“No settlements or cash offers have or ever will be made,” Bauer attorneys Shawn Holley and Jon Fetterolf wrote in a court filing Tuesday.
A Los Angeles Superior Court hearing is set to start Monday over whether a temporary restraining order against Bauer should remain in effect. In the court filing, Bauer’s attorneys argued the order should be lifted and said the woman had provided no legitimate reason to be granted protection from him.
Rather, his attorneys wrote, the woman pursued the matter “to generate publicity, try to end [Bauer’s] baseball career, and gain a monetary settlement.”
Bauer’s career remains on hold, amid separate investigations by the Pasadena Police Department and Major League Baseball.
Pasadena police have said Bauer is under investigation for felony assault. He has not been arrested or charged with a crime. Legal analysts have noted that, under a potential settlement, the woman could agree not to testify against Bauer in any criminal proceeding.
More text messages released involving Trevor Bauer and woman accusing him of sexual assault
Aug. 3, 2021
The league first put Bauer on leave July 2, three days after the temporary restraining order was granted. The leave has been extended four times, most recently through Friday, and is likely to be extended again.
In her request for the temporary restraining order, the woman said she was choked and lost consciousness during two sexual encounters with Bauer and was hit in the face on the second occasion.
In Tuesday’s court filing, Bauer’s attorneys wrote that the accuser did not request the temporary restraining order until about six weeks after the last sexual encounter and about a month after her last text message with Bauer, indicating the accuser “did not see an imminent concern about hearing from or seeing [him].” during that time and undermines the credibility of her allegations.”
The filing included a text message from the accuser on the night before she obtained the temporary restraining order, saying “This is his last MLB start,” and another text in which she said her attorneys thought Bauer might “try to settle with me[,] offer me major cash then make me sign [a non-disclosure agreement].” (Not working out that way is it)
The filing also included a text from the woman to a cousin the day after the second encounter: “It was consensual but like didn[’]t expect two black eyesl? Like he def took it too far don’t you think lol.” (It was consensual… but….)
In her request for the temporary restraining order, the woman wrote: “I agreed to have consensual sex, however, I did not agree or consent to what he did next. I did not agree to be sexually assaulted.” (Well, yeah, you kinda did.)
Parentheticals are mine.
Who knows where this is bullsh*t will end up but these two people deserve each other.
But we only know what she has accused him of, not actually what he did.
I have to believe that other women would have come forward if he was inclined as the woman says.
I think this smells! This is probably why he hasn’t… and likely will not be charged.
We know what he’s admitted to, so, that’s some of what he did. Obviously we may never know the whole truth. Not even after the investigation. His lawyer’s story, her lawyer’s story, neither of which will be the whole truth. I am looking forward to the end of this.
What has he admitted to?
He said that it was consensual.
He did not say WHAT was consensual. THAT’S IT!
He is not fighting this in the war of public opinion, so we know very little… except that she is absolutely trying to shake him down.
I do not know California case law, but in many states, in a case of domestic violence or assault, even if the victim doesn’t want to “press charges,” the prosecutor can still decide to proceed without the victim’s cooperation. Prosecutors can use their subpoena power to force a victim to testify.
He’s admitted that they had rough sex, including punching her. Now it’s “who do you believe?”
I still don’t see this going to trial.
I do not see where he admitted punching her.
“On May 21, she met with Pasadena police—who are investigating her claims—and called Bauer at their request in an attempt to get an admission.
According to the order, Bauer admitted to punching her repeatedly in the buttocks while she was unconscious. She responded, “I didn’t ask to be punched” and “this was not a free for all.” Bauer then “attempted to change the subject.”
I think it’s pretty much accepted that he whacked her several times. Now it’s whether you believe she asked for it or not.
Getting punched in the butt should not mess up your face. She only showed pictures of her face, not her butt!
Bauer has never admitted punching her in her face.
Maybe not. But he admitted he hit her.
Look I agree with you in that we don’t know ALL the details. But I think we know enough to come to a few logical assumptions. 1. He roughed her up pretty good. 2. She asked him to. And not once but twice. They’re both bent. But, did he cross a line? I don’t know. This is not my area of expertise and I sure as hell don’t expect lawyers and courts to get it right, but I do expect a ruling. And the sooner the better.
And for the record if he’s found not guilty I’d let him pitch again. That’s up to his team and management of course but I don’t care he’s a twisted f***. Not my business
The Cubs have released Jake Arrieta, putting him on unconditional release waivers. Wonder if AF is interested. He’s been getting rocked lately but with all the Stars that have left the Cubs there can’t be much motivation left. At one time he was one of the best in the game and it doesn’t take long to fall from the top.
Jake went from being a mid-90’s pitcher to a low 90’s pitcher and there is no longer enough separation between his fastball and slider. He tried to “reinvent himself” but it didn’t work.
I doubt AF (or any GM) has any interest.
I’m trying to figure out why, whoever fills out the lineup card, thought it would be a good idea to bat Albert 3rd in today’s lineup. With lefty opener starting this game, are they planning an early exit with Beaty taking over with a short bench? Then you’re stuck with Beaty in the 3 hole the rest of the way.
As more information is released in the Bauer saga, the court of public opinion is shifting slowly but surely. Mismanagement by Manfred’s office is just giving the players union more ammunition ahead of the CBA negotiations. MLB likes to pretend to do their own independent investigation, but we all can see that’s a bunch of poppycock. MLB, PPD and the courts are all looking for someone else to blink first instead of doing their own jobs.
Quack’s tenure was very short-lived. A third of an inning and gone. That reminds me of d’Arnaud’s stay with the Dodgers, all of 1 AB.
Everyone acts like there is no discussion as to who the better defensive shortstop is between Seager and Turner. If you look at the numbers, Corey’s fielding percentage is better, way less errors and range factor numbers are very close. In the last couple of games, I saw Corey show range up the middle and in the hole with perfect throws on both plays. He also has a better fielding percentage than Lux and Taylor at the position.
What the over under on a rain delay today?
Of the 5 games we played in the grand state of Pennsylvania this year we’ve had 5 rain delay’s, amazing.
I haven’t read the article yet but wanted to first share these few thoughts after last nights game with y’all :
1. I now officially resign my position as president of the trade/send down/platoon Cody Bellinger fan club
2. Way to go Cody….keep making me regret having my doubts…I have no problem eating crow for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Thank you, Sir.
3. Also, while never publicly putting down Mr Pollock, I also have never publicly appreciated or thanked him. Thank you, Sir!
4. Our bullpen….wow, just amazing. Even the guys who I was closing my eyes over when they came in are now causing me to open them back up. These first two games in Philly were just amazing. Thank you, Sirs.
5. Trevor Bauer….I want him back ASAP. Nuff said.
6. Kershaw….I think giving him this month off is just what he will need to be beastly in the playoffs, so let him rest up and get stronger again.
7. Max Muncy….before Trea Turner he was my favorite Dodgers player, but lately catching pop ups have become not so routine. Even still, no one is perfect, and his 23 HRs clearly are appreciated and of course, lead the team. Thank you, Sir.
8. Mookie….my expectations have gone wayyyyy down now because I think Mookie is suffering a lot more than we know. I hope for the best, but am now very concerned about this injury not being able to heal without proper rest (months, not days).
9. Let’s just win and sweep these guys today. Go Big Blue!
TM
First of all thank you Bear
It used to be my favorite part of the day was my coffee a cigarette and the morning newspaper. I quit smoking 20 years ago, and newspapers are now irreverent. Now it’s just my gourmet coffee and LADT.!!
I don’t want to jinx him but Mitch Whites breaking stuff is nasty
Everyone has their coffee rituals it seems. A lot of people that I talk to use a Keurig or Nespresso machine. What’s your setup?
I use mostly Lavazza Super Crema whole beans and grind them medium in a burr grinder and brew it in a drip coffee maker on a timer so it’s ready for me when I wake up. I use the copper coffee filter and I drink my coffee black, no sweetener.
If I need an afternoon cup, I break out the Moka Pot, heat milk in the microwave and froth it to make a cappuccino. 1 scoop of sugar.
I have both a Bee Dripper and a Bialetti. Kinda alternate.
There’s a local place that roasts their own beans. Either use those or Free Trade beans from Trader Joes.
Black with honey.
Usually it’s either pork sausages, oatmeal with raisins or a grapefruit!
I have an Nespresso coffee machine. My significant other makes the coffee so I don’t know much about the machine. I usually go with an Italian roast or a Verona also go with the burr grinder. Starbucks brand, my niece works there and gets a discount
We have a Nespresso machine (used exclusively by my wife), a Keurig, (when I am in a hurry), and Behmor Brazen Plus which brews slowly up to 210 degrees for excellent coffee.
Damm. I got a Mr Coffee.
My Keurig died last year. I miss it, so I am using an old Mr. Coffee right now since my Black and Decker died. I do not care for espresso or any of that foo foo coffee crap. I like Hawaiian blend macadamia nut flavored and Hazelnut. And I do not drink Starbucks. As much as they charge for a cup of that swill, no thanks. Back when I was driving long haul, my morning would always start with breakfast, coffee and my newspaper. I miss reading USA Today in the mornings.
We are men of the people Bear.
In the 80s in Eureka my business partner and I would run in the redwoods, then sit down for breakfast in Arcata with a USA Today. He grabbed the Life section, I grabbed Sports
I always liked Bryce Harper.
Not as much as I like Rich Hill, but Harper and Tatis may be among my new favorites on “other” teams.
And Seager has played some nice defense since he’s been back. I would love to see Corey back as a forever Dodger! White is starting to look pretty comfortable out there. He’s got the stuff to be a rotation piece.
Totally agree on Seager and White. White just needs to have confidence. He has the tools.
Nice outing by White. Getting out of that jam allowing only 1 run was huge. Got tagged by Harper, but it was a good pitch. Vesia fast becoming the go to lefty out of the pen. Replay blew it on Turner’s ground ball. Millers foot came off of the bag. At least they are into the Phillies bullpen now. They have beaten them the last two games.
As I mentioned yesterday with the emergence of Bickford and Vesia the bullpen is getting better.
I have seen nothing from McKinney. I like Beaty better but Doc
likes the defense only approach I disagree.
I do not want to start an argument with you Eric, but doesn’t it seem odd to you that you are about the only one who posts here who does not value defense? Just wondering. The Dodgers win more when they are good defensively. Yeah, McKinney is a defense first guy. And he has not hit much. But Beaty has made some errors that cost the team games, games you can never get back.
1 I value defense but not over offense.
2 They win when they hit and pitch good.
3 Beaty alone has not cost a game.
Beaty has made 4 errors this season. 3 of them in the outfield and I remember 2 of them leading to runs that put the Dodgers behind. As for his hitting, he is better as a pinch hitter than most, but has not been hitting when he starts lately. Best case scenario is a player who is good at both offense and defense. Beaty has never been a very good defensive player.
Yeah almost would rather see Price or Urius up there instead of McKinney
He’s basically in there for his defense, Beaty is not good at any position
Phillies pen has been pretty good today. Chris Davis retires. Never lived up to that huge contract he got from the Orioles. Beware GM’s. Going to watch the Field of Dreams game. Should be pretty cool. It is that or go to the movies to see Jungle Cruise.
Seems like they never learn. MOOKIE ,!!???
I definitely hope I’m wrong
Hip problems at his age? Especially with his body type, I hope it’s not genetic
Down to our last out cross your fingers
Beware GMs Beware
Good evening everybody. We got to take care of our own business !!!
Cant hope for the Giants too lose
The clock is ticking
You can say that again. I 100% agree.
What clock? I don’t see a clock. There’s no clock in baseball.
Oh, that reminds me of a joke a student told me a hundred years ago:
Why is unwise to share your secrets with a clock?
Well, time will tell.
Hip problems can pop up at any age. They need to find out exactly what the problem is. Does he have arthritis in his hip? A hip pointer? Just inflammation? That is why they sent him back to LA to have experts take a look.
It’s been a month. Why haven’t the experts already looked?
I have no clue. I would have had it done the first time he went down.
I can’t believe they can’t get JT into the game right here.
Yep, last time I checked you should not need your groin to hit. They try to hand it to us and in gratitude we give them McKinney. SHEESH!
Say what? I hope that’s an attempt at humor. Obviously you need your groin to hit. You need your groin for every movement in baseball.
Porpoises. What do they know about groins.
They can only compare it to a weak flipper.
Rats. McKinney is not the guy you want up there but we were given 5 outs to get it done. We didn’t deserve a W today.
McKinney with bases loaded? Please …!!!
Well, that’s what was there. They said JT was not going to play…
Sure look forward to seeing this lineup at full strength. Wonder how long that will take.
One step forward two steps back. From what I saw from this season so far will never get to full strength. I hope that what we got will be enough
Sometimes it’s one step forward one step back, that would be OK if we were the one with the four game lead
Actually, it has been 4 steps forward and 1 step back… and I will take that.
Hope deferred…
The standings certainly don’t reflect that.
Disappointing game. But if they can win 4 out of 5 the rest of the way, they will be in good shape. They cannot control what the Giants do. They do need some pop off of the bench. And yeah, I think I would have hit JT there for one at bat. McKinney has brought nothing offensively. I would have even rather seen Lux up in that situation. Now on to New York. Urias, Butane and Mad Max against the Metropolitans.
Sorry Bear but that would be 800 ball pretty doggone tough
We’re 27-7 (.794) when we score 5 or more. So, there’s the game plan.
They did it before, remember that 43-7 run? They have the talent. Right now I think their pitching is their strength and they are going to have to have that the rest of the way. If Mookie is indeed out, they are going to have to have other players pick up the slack. And they need Lux back. He is better than McKinney and adds even more speed.
Winning two out of three against a hot team (8 in a row) on the road with so many rain delays, and two bullpen games…..not bad at all.
Sure, we only got 3 hits today but I’m sure the bodies of the players on both teams were exhausted. They had to play last night, ended late, get up in near 100° heat to play another game. Both teams were spent. This, both pitching staffs dominated. Their’s was one pitch better….the HR by the great one, Bryce Harper! No disgrace in losing especially when a guy like Harper does his thing.
I quit playing tennis on consecutive days for that reason….my body needed a day to recover. So, we shouldn’t hold this loss over their heads.
As for the Giants probably going 5 up….so what? Let them….they deserve their first place by the way they have played and for them beating us like they have. I’m not as concerned about coming in first as I am concerned about fielding a healthy and full team.
If we can get Mookie, Bauer, Clayton, Duffy, JT, and possibly even Lux (can’t believe I’m saying this)….I don’t care who we play. Even one game….if we can’t beat SD or Phillies, or Mets, or Braves in one game, winner take all, then we don’t deserve to win this year. Football is one game….so why not baseball, for this wild card game?
Get healthy and come back renewed…that’s the goal!
TM
That’s the problem not bad at all it’s not good enough. Maybe earlier in the season but not now, time is running out. We are running out of season, i’m not saying we can’t do it, but we’ve got to make a move
Harper is the most over rated player of this generation. He has lived up to the hype once. Oh he hits some HR’s, but he is not great. He is merely very good. His age 22 season was his best. He has not approached those number since, and he has not really lived up to the huge contract the Phillies gave him…IMHO.
Harper and Beli sounds like the same player , Do the DODGERS give Beli a similar contract.
The really good teams find ways to win close games. The Dodgers find ways to lose them. Now 21 one run losses and 12 losses in extra innings. Three losses to Giants immediately come to mind: when Pujols was robbed and the back to back blown saves by Kenley. Flip those games and the Dodgers are in first.
The feast or famine trend on offense continues. Only 3 hits today against average pitchers and two of those hits were infield bleeders.
Good performance by White and the bullpen today as two runs allowed should get you a win in that ballpark.
Looks more and more like a wild card game is in the future. They are still capable of running the table as a wild card but it cuts the probability of winning the World Series in half.
Hopefully they can get to full strength by the playoffs as they have the most talented roster in baseball.
They were tired…..both teams were, this only 7 hits. Very hot muggy day. Move on…..
TTurner was obviously safe. I guess not only does Girlfred hate us, but his minions in NY do as well. We went from what SHOULD HAVE been 1st & 3rd with one out to man on third with two outs. Not saying that means we would have won, but I sure like our chances exponentially better if the correct call was made.
cheers
pb+
The Angels are 20-9 in 1 run games. They must be a good team.
Couldn’t agree more the GOOD teams find a way to win close games! We haven’t done it all year and our record in those games is atrocious! Will this change in our last 47 games…not likely? I know a lot of you are optimistic that we can change the results going forward but after 115 games the facts are what they are. We do not come up with the clutch hitting needed to win these tight games and a lot of the blame needs to go to our POS manager for not giving us the best chance to win with putting the right players in the key situations to produce the timely hitting needed to win! I am tired of hearing all the excuses for losing the close games but by not having a manager who has a clue for in game management, we continually have the wrong players up in the key situations where games are won and lost. Yes, the bullpen has been better lately but clutch hitting is just not there. We desperately need a 8-10 game winning streak to put some pressure on the gnats….hopefully this streak can start tomorrow!
The winning streak has already started, the team is playing well, 7 wins out of the last 10, the problem is that the giants do not lower their level
Besides Albert, our bench is tertrible. No help from Oklahoma City. AF did not address the weakness at the deadline., A weak bench contributes to all those one run and extra inning l osses.Tough game to lose today.
Lux is supposed to be on the bench as is CT3 but one is injured and the other is on the IL. Of course, JT was not available and Mookie is on the IL as well. What was AF supposed to do, go out and get Aaron Judge and Matt Chapman?
Nobody is saying any of that, just stating the position that we are in
Not placing blame anywhere just stating the facts, whoops Sorry I got a play some on the doc Kenley situation
Don’t forget, a week ago people wanted to send Belli to the minors. The team is loaded, all these close losses are the result of injury, short bench today, inexperienced bullpen arms in extras. It’s too bad we can’t seem to get any health.
You are correct, the bench has been the difference compared to last year, the OKC guys this year were a failure on offense and defense, injuries have always been there but in other years the bench players covered very well the injured players and made the absences of the starting players not noticeable.
Great article Bear! Thank you for posting, I found it very informative. I’m still not sure how WAR is actually determined, but like Badger wrote, I know it is used by front offices quite a bit in evaluating players.
I was, however, surprised that Jim Gilliam was so high on the WAR list. Mind you, I thought he was a very good player and he was one of my favorites when I was was young. Very workmanlike and solid. But, I did not expect to see that there was only 2.5 WAR difference between he and Gil Hodges. At first blush, I would have thought that Hodges was the far superior player.
Despite the loss today, I would think that even Eric would agree that the bullpen pitched very well. That has to be encouraging moving forward.
Yep. And the last few days I’ve been saying that the bullpen is getting better.
Thanks 2D2. I would have thought that there would be more separation there also. But, Hodges last couple of seasons most likely took some numbers off of his WAR. After 12 straight years of HR’s in double figures, Gil only hit 25 over his last 4 seasons. His BA those last 4 years was no where near his career mark. His last season in LA he only hit .198 at age 36. He played 3 more years for the Mets and never hit over .252. Gilliam on the other hand, stayed close to his career average, and only had 2 years where he did not hit that well. After the adjustment to his WAR from his Negro league stats, he now sits at a 45.0 WAR. He retired at age 37 for good. He came back at 36 and 37 from the coaching ranks when they had a need.
We’ll go as far as this offense will carry us. Shame to waste this bullpen effort! We have to do better than McKinney at the end of our bengh
We’ve got two starters plus Lux and McKinstry out. That unfortunately gets us to McKinney. We’ve tried several others. None succeeded. We will need our best to beat the league’s best. If we don’t have them?
Exactly. If we had our entire team healthy, then the bench could feasibly be:
CT3
Pujols
Lux
Barnes
McKinstry
I suppose…..McKinney next up
That bench isn’t too shabby.
If this if that. The rest of the league is not going to give us a handicap so until we get healthy we need some people to step it up clocks ticking
Just the facts ma’am just the facts
It was a heartbreaker today, but you can’t complain too much when you take 2-3 on the road from a 1st place team. We had a couple of deep drives and an upper deck Belli Bomb that was way foul. The difference in the game was an inning with some walks and a seeing eye grounder and a Harper bomb off a pitcher’s pitch. Tip the cap and move on. Hopefully they get some good rest before playing the Mets tomorrow.
Another scheduling screw up. The Phillies stay home and the Dodgers travel from Philly to NY a mere 97 miles so there was no need to play a day game today.
I really like the way Mitch White is pitching. The difference between him being solid and really good is just confidence and putting time and distance from his injuries that hampered his minor league career.
Beaty with a hole in his glove, or McKinny with a hole in his bat? Much ado about nothing. Neither player is clearly better than the other. If you could mush them together, you would have a solid 4th outfielder.
There’s never a good reason to have Albert bat so high in the lineup. Just leave him down low, it takes a miracle to score him once he gets on base. I love it when he runs into one, but he’s not the butter and eggs man, he’s the icing on the cake or the cherry on top.
I’m glad the Bauer legal team is taking a hard line. I saw a Tucker interview that he had with a “fixer” recently. The “fixer” said that celebrities often get themselves into a situation where people what to put them in an awkward position in order to leverage them out of $$. He said they were looking to get an “annuity” from their leveraged celebrity. The guy said it was his job to “convince” them to take another path and that they didn’t want to do what they were planning. He said that pro athletes were common as clients. Apparently this kind of stuff happens all the time. You know Bauer was warned about this kind of thing, but let the little head do the thinking.
I’m wondering if the MLB investigation and PPD investigation is just waiting for the hearing on the restraining order to see if Bauer does anything stupid to incriminate himself. If this lefty women justice ultimately rules in his favor, I can see this wrapping up. He’s been out close to 45 days now. It’s time to move on. One more administrative leave to get him through the court case, then be done with it with timed served.
WAR, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing! Say it again!
It’s really quite arbitrary. Baseball Reference and Fangraphs have differing WAR calculations and the formula is just so convoluted. If teams value it as much as Badger thinks, Marcus Semien should get at least 5 years at 30M/year this offseason. I’m not holding my breath.
WAR might not matter to some fans, but front offices value it a lot.
Yeah, they do. And it’s my judgment they know a whole lot more about what they are looking at currently and how players project going forward than anyone yakking it up in a chat room.
And you have the phone number of who’s front office?
You do not need the phone number to know what they use to evaluate players. They talk about it in interviews all the time. Friedman himself has said in interviews what they look for and how they evaluate players they might seek in trade. And he is not the only head of baseball operations that does things that way. Most teams that use analytics the way the Dodgers do, use many different stats to evaluate players. Just the way things are now.
They got lucky getting those two runners on against Kennedy. Both of those ball 4 calls were strikes, but the ump missed them. Then a passed ball, and Smith gets plunked. That was the bad luck part right there. McKinney has not hit a ball hard since he got here.
I do not feel that any single statistic captures the true essence of what a player is.
WAR is a tool. So is OPS. I also value OPS+
How about a stat combining the following:
Baseball-Reference WAR
Fangraphs WAR
OPS
OPS+
The higher the number, the better!
Exactly, It is simply one of the tools they use. Just like the number ratings they have for prospects as to how high they are rated with certain skills.
Why didn’t Turner PH in the 9th with the bases loaded? Why are we playing with a short bench? McKinney is not the guy you want up in a key situation and this not the first time we end up with some bozo hitting with the game on the line. Based on our past history, I am guessing Turner will be put on the IL so why has it taken 4 days to make that decision? If he is somehow able to play tomorrow, I would really be pissed he couldn’t pinch hit today. We can’t afford to play short handed….our 4 starting pitchers…Scherzer, Urias, Bueller. Price would be better options to PH than McKinney. Same old story we do not put our players in the best position to be successful…and that falls back to our POS manager!
Roberts said, Turner will be back in the lineup in New York tomorrow.
and he couldn’t pinch hit today….what a fu*kin joke!! We will be 5 games back tonight…where is the sense of urgency?? Gibson could barely stand up and look what happened!! Why wasn’t Turner in roberts face to put him in to PH?? There is only 47 games left…you can play hurt…too many excuses for losing games we need to win. Does this team have the passion to win it all again? Where is Lasorda when we need him?
I have no clue why Dave did not use him. But that decision is up to the manager. I have no idea what the teams mental state is at this point in time. My only thought is that Dave is thinking long term and not just one game. But it is logical to be pissed off.
If he goes on the IL it will be retroactive to the day he was injured. He’s hurt. That has nothing to do with the manager. Only a porpoise can field his position without a functioning groin housing group.
wOBA = (0.690×uBB + 0.722×HBP + 0.888×1B + 1.271×2B + 1.616×3B +
2.101×HR) / (AB + BB – IBB + SF + HBP)
You buy them books, you send them to school.
The geeks use EVERY stat people, including OPS, but most feel wOBA is a more comprehensive stat.
I don’t understand the objections you guys have to WAR. The formulas used to create it are very popular with baseball stat geeks. These guys know what they’re doing. Years of R&D have gone into these algorithms and the guys that use them successfully make big bucks. Looking at who wins more games I gotta say these formulas are working just fine. So, don’t like them if you choose, but the people running baseball do like them and analytics is here to stay.
you can only go back 3 days to the IL….but roberts now says he will play tomorrow?? Do you believe anything that comes out the mouth of our clueless manager?
Well WAR has certainly identified the greatest players of all time.
That it has. I just found it amazing that Ruth is 20 points above the man in second.
And what great careers Bonds and Clemens had. Whatever effect you think the steroids had
I have zero sympathy for either of them. They did what they felt they had to do. They used PEDS to get an edge. That is as bad as what the Astros did. Players in their late 30’s do not get better as they age. They have reduced skills. Bonds hit better at 36 than he did when he was 30. My opinion is that neither of them should get into the hall. Same with McGuire, Palmiero and Rodriguez. What makes it worse, at least for me, is that they all lied about it.
It was a tough loss, and as expected the Giants beat the Rockies. Padres got beat again. Playing with a short bench limits Roberts options. With Turner unavailable, and them having 14 pitchers on the roster, they have only 3 on the bench. So after using Beaty, only McKinney and Smith were available. I totally dislike playing with a short bench. It limits your options. Lux has been on the IL a lot longer than 10 days. None of the guys at AAA has shown enough at the MLB level to be of any help, at least they have not shown that yet. Players are going to have to step up their game. They are going to be playing a team that is in a real fight for first place. They are going to be playing for their playoff life. The Dodgers have to be hungrier than the Mets.
5 games out of first now. I doubt the Dodgers will catch the Giants. Get Mookie well even if it takes an extended stay on the IL.
Will be a one game WC game vs Padres or Reds in all likelyhood.
Lets hope Walker or Max -whoever gets the ball- has an outstanding game to get us into the divisional round. And then roast the Giants.
Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Getting back to WAR…..I still don’t know anything about this number. I know it stands for wins above replacement but what does that mean? Bear said….” how many wins this player is better than the guy who has replaced him. ”
For example, to compute WAR for Justin Turner, soooooo, who is the guy who has replaced him?
Who is the guy who has replaced Cody Bellinger?
Who is the guy who replaced Clayton Kershaw?
So, after you tell me the guy who replaced these men, how do you arrive at a number?
And then, what does that number mean? I know the higher the better, but I still haven’t quite grasped how you even get the number, so first things first.
Maybe if somebody walked me through an example, that would make it real for me. So, who someone like to walk me through Justin Turner’s WAR? Baseball reference says it’s 3.2. So what does this mean? I doubt anyone will see this because it’s late, so I guess I’m probably talking to myself.
Thanks,
TM