Bad Day at Fenway

As Dodgers fans, we are not used to losing. Julio Urias failed to pitch like the Ace he was, which he did most of the month. Max Muncy and Dave Roberts got booted! If you are going to lose, you might as well go out in a blaze of glory! This was just one game. Move along… nothing to see here, folks. It’s time for a bullpen game, folks. Caleb Ferguson takes the bump at 10:35 AM PDT (1:35 EDT). Here is all I am concerned about:

Imagine being a fan of the San Diego Clowns down the Freway! Monday, the Dodgers are back home and can pound the nails in the D-Bags coffin, but in the meantime, LET’S WIN THIS ONE! My son-in-law is a Red Sox Fan, and the Boys in Blue need to shut him up! You all know of what I speak.

Dodger News & Notes

  • The Dodgers have signed outfielder Oscar Mercado to a minor league deal, and he will report to OKC. Mercado’s path has now taken him to Los Angeles, where he’ll try to become the latest player to resurrect his career in Dodger blue. It’s an interesting move…
  • Emmet Sheehan got blown up in his start yesterday as he gave up 5 ER in 1.2 IP. He walked 3 and gave up a 3-run Home Run. Miguel Vargas (he has been playing 3B of late) took the collar while Blake Treinen recorded a clean inning. I think he is not a “longshot” but rather a “sureshot” to be on the roster in September.
  • Nick Frasso makes his first OKC start today.
  • Austin Gauthier was 2-5 at Tulsa (.325 BA/.939 OPS in 419 ABs). He is a RH Bat with not a lot of power (2 HR/27 DBL). He has played LF, RF, 3B, 2B, and SS. While not a speedster, he has stolen 18 bags. Keep your eye on him.
  • Dalton Rushing was back at C and blasted his 12th HR – a 2 -2-run shot! I would not be surprised if he were promoted to Tulsa for a cup of coffee.
  • Diego Cartaya has a lot of work to do over the winter…
  • If you wanna see what a Superstar looks like… look no further than Mookie Betts! .312 BA. .406 OB%, 1.011 OPS. That’s what I was talking about when I said Mookie needed to put up “Superstar Stats!” Freddie is not far behind!
  • Will Smith is again “wearing down” at the end of the season. I would love for the Dodgers to talk with him and see if he could play another position and be about to hit .300 with .900+ OPS due to not being beaten up behind the plate. What if he were to be the backup Catcher? He is not a big guy, and playing 3B or LF could result in another “Superstar Bat” being in the lineup!

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  1. Sounds great for Will Smith to move to another position. A lot of catchers wear down once we are into Sept. So we just have to get another catcher. Another alternative is also to get another catcher who can start 50 games or so and let Will DH. So both those plans don’t work with Barnes as the number two guy.

  2. I agree Mark about Will. Is athletic enough to play left field. Has a strong arm and runs well. Would have to go get a catcher to play every day (not Barnes) 100 in left and 40 behind the plate would be perfect! Justin turner looks pretty bad at first base, but his production at the plate has been great! Sounds as if he’s a little bitter about the way things went with the front office. 0&2 on Duvall and Julio just put one on a tee ball stand. He looks like a cy young winner one minute and a triple A pitcher another. Really can’t stand Cora! As for Muncy, ball was clearly off the plate. If he has such great eye for the strike zone, why does he take so many pitches right dy broadway? Poor Chris Taylor! Swing is same spot every time. If the ball is in same path he can crush it! Would be great to get series win today!

    1. Yes I have seen Taylor swing to hit the ball 500 feet. When the pitch is center cut fastball he crushes it. But I have seen him swing that way on three straight sliders, down and in without any adjustment. And then walk away with that stunned look on his face. Not a good choice for the playoffs if we face someone with control of off speed pitches. (but probably can say the same for rest of lineup-Especially JDM if he is back.

    2. JT’s big grin seemed to be saying, I could be doing it for you, instead of the Sox!

  3. To Mark, OldBear and others… I rarely, if ever comment, but o just wanted to let you all know that I visit this site every morning. I love getting game recaps, minor league updates and history lessons. I have been a Dodgers fan since I was born in LA in 1991. My life has taken me all over the US, but the Dodgers have been a constant! Thank you and Think Blue!

  4. I agree about Will Smith, third would be a logical spot or the Dodgers could go without a set DH and that would offer an opportunity to rest Smith and still keep his bat in the line-up. The Dodgers should also consider extending him to a five year deal this winter.

    Of course, if the Dodgers pursue Ohtani this winter, then third becomes a viable option with Michael Busch handling the position when Smith catches. Lots of options.

    Just when you think Urias has turned the corner, he falters. His next outing may tell us more. Was it just a bad outing?

    I’m getting tired of watching Chris Taylor’s all or nothing swing. Time to move on. Way too many swings and misses.

    Story in the LA Times about the woman, Linda Goldbloom, who died after getting hit in the face by a foul ball at Dodger Stadium five years ago. She and her husband were long time Dodgers fans. Her husband is still upset with the Dodgers delayed acknowledgement that she died at the game. She was sitting in the loge section behind the plate. The Dodgers failed to acknowledge what happened for six months. Why?

    She died four days later in the hospital after emergency surgery. I recall hearing about a woman struck by a ball in the face. I often sat in that section. Then nothing. It’s a good article, definitely worth reading. Sometimes I don’t get responses to tragedies or incidents, best to be transparent, not try to hide it

  5. DODGERS RECALL GAVIN STONE

    LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles Dodgers have recalled right-handed pitcher Gavin Stone and optioned left-handed pitcher Bryan Hudson.

    Stone, 24, returns for his third stint with the Dodgers and he is 0-0 with a 12.75 ERA (17 ER/12.0 IP) and eight strikeouts in four games (three starts). With Triple-A Oklahoma City, he was 6-4 with a 5.04 ERA (53 ER/94.2 IP) and 113 strikeouts in 20 games (19 starts). Last season, he was named the 2022 Dodgers Branch Rickey Pitcher of the Year after going a combined 9-6 with a 1.48 ERA (20 ER/121.2 IP) and 168 strikeouts between High-A Great Lakes, Double-A Tulsa and Triple-A Oklahoma City. The Arkansas native has been in the Dodger system since being drafted in the 5th round of the 2020 First Year Player Draft out of the University of Central Arkansas and he is a combined 17-12 with a 3.25 ERA (111 ER/307.1 IP) and 419 strikeouts.

    Hudson, 26, appeared in the game last night, allowing one run on one hit. On the campaign, he is 0-0 with a 7.27 ERA (7 ER/8.2 IP) and seven strikeouts in six games. He was 5-1 with a 2.76 ERA (14 ER/45.2 IP) and 75 strikeouts in 39 games for Oklahoma City this season. He is a combined 37-28 with a 4.23 ERA (236 ER/502.2 IP) and 443 strikeouts in 189 career minor league games (75 starts). He was drafted by the Cubs in the third round of the 2015 First Year Player Draft out of Alton High School (IL).

  6. How much longer do we have to wait for MLB to install the ABS System? Bad calls seldom outright lose the game for a team, but they just put you at a disadvantage. But yesterday’s call on Muncy was close to a “game loser”. Yeah, I know, he could have it the strike that was actually in the zone. But the strike 3 was aweful. To add insult to injury, Jordan Baker could have walked the baseline to avoid Muncy’s reaction but instead he chose to make a stand and toss Max and Doc.
    I have seen enough bad umpiring for a lifetime and the sad irony is that it’s all fixable.
    * MLB stood on a soapbox when it lobbied for replay reviews and video challenges, proclaiming the goal was “To just get the calls right”. Swell. Now let’s get the balls and strike calls right.

    The Athletic ran this article Friday, by Jason Stark. I will try to post it but it’s subscription so I don’t know if it will open. I’ll try

    https://theathletic.com/4791440/2023/08/25/mlb-robot-umpires-future/?source=freedailyemail&campaign=601983

    If you can read it you will notice what the complaints have been from it’s use in MiLB.
    Some examples:
    * The strike zone is different in each park.
    * That can be fixed. Now it’s different for every umpire.
    * The strike zone is the same for tall and short guys.
    * studies show that human umps don’t adjust their zones to players heights either.
    * It brings back the 3 1/2 hour game as too many balls are called.
    * Is that bad tech or bad AAA pitching?
    * Not all strikes are created equal:
    * Listen to Rangers pitching prospect Owen White, on pitches he has thrown that even he thinks shouldn’t be a strike. “Like back-up sliders, where the catcher sets up on the outer third (of the plate) and then he catches them on the inner third? I mean, there are just pitches that shouldn’t be rewarded or called strikes because of the (automated) zone,” he said. “To me, whenever you make the catcher look bad, those really shouldn’t be a guaranteed strike. But the ABS calls them strikes.”
    * My take – It’s not the umpires job to critique pitch quality. It’s a strike or a ball.
    * Umpires couldn’t adjust the zone for blowout games or to speed up games with bad weather blowing in.
    * That’s the most lame reason I’ve ever heard.
    * What do they have against catchers – framing would be a lost art.
    * To me “framing” actually effecting the call is overrated anyway. And there’s a difference between true framing and yanking pitches to the center of the plate.
    * The challenge system was addressed.
    * I’m opposed to another stoppage for a challenge. It puts 2 separate strike zones in play; the umpires individual interpretation of his zone and the ABS zone.
    To me these complaints are mostly lame. They are not backed up by facts, as the article points out. They don’t credit player’s ability to adjust.
    The Technology is available – JUST USE IT!

    1. Muncy got jobbed again, but I still think Max takes way too many good pitches for strikes. I counted at least three right down Broadway.

      1. Bear, I have agreed with you every time you have made that statement. And I’ll do it again today. He seldom jumps on opportunities in advantage counts. He takes his hittable pitch and never sees another juicy one or he works a walk. As I’ve said, I have nothing against walks but I’d prefer an RBI hit in those advantage counts. Especially in the 4 hole.

      2. I read some people here want Soto to be a Dodger, but some padre fans said the same thing he takes many good pitches just to pony up his obp

        1. Soto is still more than a year away from free agency. He is not a free agent until after next season and there is no way the Padres make a trade with LA. Certainly not for a player like Soto who they gave up a lot of talent for.

      3. He’s a player that works the count. That’s how he approaches his plate appearances. If you’re that kind of hitter, you’re just going to be taking pitches down Broadway early in the count sometimes. That’s the trade off. He’s 5th in the league in BB%. Brett Butler was the same way (although he was a better contact hitter).

        Yeah, I’d like him to have better pitch recognition and be more aggressive, but he is who he is.

    2. No to ABS.

      Not needed.

      Somehow baseball managed to survive for 177 years without some sort of automatic balls and strikes caller thing, yet it’s now essential. Nope.

      Calling balls and strikes is like any other craft. It requires talent, skill and experience. Reward those who excel at it, just like the game rewards those who are particularly good at hitting, throwing and catching baseballs, and demotes those who can’t.

      That means, “Sorry umpires union. We’re going to be making some changes. You either play ball and work with us or you’re out.”

      The fact that the name Angel Hernandez even crosses the lips of baseball fans is a testament to the need for reform.

      There is plenty of technology to determine the umpires – both major league and minor league (and even foreign league) who are particularly good at calling balls and strikes. Promote them and financially reward them.

      Yes, there will still be calls that are missed on occasion, but reform will greatly reduce the frequency. Players will more willingly accept that there will be occasional questionable calls if they know that you have the best umpires in the world calling balls and strikes.

      Teams can have ONE balls and strikes call they can official protest and ask for a video review. Critical times in the game, like the Muncy call yesterday, can be reviewed. In that case, the Muncy strike would’ve been overturned. I think this system would add some welcome drama to close games.

  7. 1:35 PM ET

    Dodgers (79-49)
    Red Sox (69-61)

    SP Gavin Stone R
    0-0 12.75 ERA PRIM

    Confirmed Lineup
    2B Mookie Betts R
    1B F. Freeman L
    LF D. Peralta L
    3B Max Muncy L
    RF J. Heyward L
    CF James Outman L
    DH M. Busch L
    SS Miguel Rojas R
    C A. Barnes R

  8. #Dodgers Lineup vs #RedSox RHP, Tanner Houck:

    Betts 2B
    Freeman 1B
    Peralta LF
    Muncy 3B
    Heyward RF
    Outman CF
    Busch DH
    Rojas SS
    Barnes C

    Caleb Ferguson P

  9. Snatched defeat from victory. But all of the competition lost so no big deal. nonicnamebumfan, JT has played 2nd 10 games this year. He has been ok there, but he does not have the range to play second every day. He has played 7 games at third and made 3 errors there. He also has three at first. He would have been the DH for LA. Jayne Cobb. You are right about the inaccuracies in Eight Men Out. Same with Cobb and I knew Stump was a con man. I never thought that movie was very well done anyway. Duke Not Snider. There were no professional ballplayers in Bang the Drum Slowly. That is why I did not include it in the post. But you are right, it was very well done. So was The Natural. Also, one of my favorite films.

    1. JT would have split his time between DH and on the field somewhere giving Will Smith A chance to DH more and save him from the fatigue of the season
      But like I said, I don’t think the Dodgers made a mistake by not giving him a two-year contract.
      My point was JT still had value when others were writing him off, basically saying he was done and should retire

          1. I get your point. Age is a factor my friend. JT is 38 and turns 39 in November. I am sure they were taking into account some decline due to age. So far, JT has proved different. But I am sure they are ok with who they signed instead.

      1. I recall early in the season more than a couple posters here were gloating about how smart it was to let JT walk and sign JDM. He was a bum when he started slowly, now there’s remorse. Yeah, it’d be nice to have this bat and his clubhouse presence, but it was time. And remember, he signed a two-year deal. … also his defense has tanked. I think he would’ve been worse than Muncy at third.

  10. I watched the USC-San Jose State game after the Dodger game. It was 21-14 at the half. But USC took over in the second half and had 5 touchdowns. One of them was a 96-yard kickoff return by a freshman. Ended up 56-28. USC’s new defensive line did well despite a couple of hiccups. They allowed a TD with 8 seconds left on the clock at the end of the first half. Otherwise, great game to watch.

  11. I hope it turns out well for Stone. But I’m surprised the Dodgers are starting him on the road in Boston, who I think is fourth or fifth in the major leagues in runs scored. but what do I know?
    Go Gavin… Go, Dodgers

    1. Stopped by there yesterday. Nice little memorial. I would definitely go back if and when it opens and give them my paying business. It’s a landmark that needs to be preserved. There’s already another housing development going up on the North side of Santiago Canyon. Keep rural Orange Country’s history alive.

      That’s me in the gray cycling jersey.

      https://photos.app.goo.gl/4whW7EXhN6NuowKDA

  12. With with the benefit of hindsight, I’d be remiss if I didn’t recognize that we would be better off at this point with Turner than with JDM. However, the one thing we should not overlook is that up to this season, Turner had been the staple in terms of clubhouse leadership. It was time to turn the leadership reigns over to the next generation of Dodgers.

    1. Do you mean ‘at this point’ because JDM is injured? So Turner pouring on in the second half. But are you forgetting the first half. JDM made All Star team and contributed big time in first half when we were fighting for first place. So I say we were better off with JDM.

  13. Is heyward hurt? Looks awful at the plate right now. Taylor is really bad at the plate. Max had a nice day. Freddie is robot! Mookie is on another planet! Outman was good today . Barnes was lucky today. ( we’ll take it). Rojas raking lately. Rosario can contribute io a lot of different ways. Still need a right hand bat for the outfield. Taylor just ain’t cutting it! Not bashing Roberts, but should have taken Stone out after6 . Good win!

    1. Nope, he is just got fooled a couple of times. He actually had a couple of hits in yesterday’s game. He had missed several games because of a slight injury that bothered him when he swung a bat. But by all accounts, he is healthy and ready to go. Taylor is always the same. He is an all or nothing hitter. He never cuts down his swing. In my eyes, it is too long and that is why he strikes out so much. But he finally got his BA over .220. Muncy finally over .200. Taylor still has one full year and a 12-million-dollar team option left on his contract. Unless they sign someone like Rosario or Kike to take over as their Swiss Army knife like player, CT-3 is going nowhere.

  14. I’ve said it before, but I’m really enjoying this season.

    To see so many young players doing so well is so encouraging for the future.

    Miller
    Stone
    Pepiot
    Sheehan

    With Beuhler and May rehabilitated and loads of money coming off the books.

    Vargas, Busch, Outman, with Lux coming back,

    What a position to be in.

    1. That’s why I simply don’t second guess AF. We are 31 games over .500 and we have all our minor league assets. Even my own “best case scenario” for this season wasn’t this optimistic.

      Dodgers are a machine

      1. Only a couple of months ago, most everyone was saying they would have trouble making the playoffs, now the pretenders are all more than 12 games back. The Padres sank faster than the Titanic. The Giants have lost 9 of their last 11. All of the trades AF made at the deadline and just before have worked. Cleveland DFA’d Syndergaard today.

        1. It’s extraordinary. I predicted the Dodgers to be a 90 win team this season. 21 less wins than least year.

          I will say, to pat myself on the back, that I did predict the Padres would disappoint. Terrible clubhouse. Tatis Jr, a generational talent, has screwed up on so many levels that he has no respect. From anybody. Other than from opposing pitchers. Machado proved to me he was a POS with his “I’m no Charlie hustle” comment when he was a Dodger. Preller is really good with spread sheets. So am I. I can construct a team with data. I actually did for years in the 90s. 1991 was when I got my copy of Tony La Russa baseball for the PC. 286 running Windows 3.1. First baseball simulation I ever messed with. In 3 seasons I could build a powerhouse. Win the WS every year. Because numbers are numbers. However, in real life…. People are people. And it’s the people who produce the numbers. But they are, first and foremost, people. Humans. With lives, wives, kids and problems. They aren’t robots. They aren’t unfeeling automatons who just spit out hits like a precisely engendered machine. They are human.

          I work in stats. I love stats. But anybody who really understands analyzing statistics about humans, they know. There are variables that can’t be quantified in a spreadsheet.

          This Dodger team ain’t great on a spreadsheet. They are just great.

          That’s all that matters.

          1. Excellent points! The human element of teams and clubhouses is impossible to quantify. One area where I probably underestimate the value of Dave Roberts and the front office. The Dodgers seem to almost always have a cohesive team, and high character individuals. This group is playing really well, and a lot of fun to watch.

  15. DODGERS CLAIM TYSON MILLER

    LOS ANGELES – The Los Angeles Dodgers claimed right-handed pitcher Tyson Miller from the New York Mets and transferred right-handed pitcher Tony Gonsolin to the 60-day injured list.

    Miller, 27, returns for his second stint with the Dodgers after making one appearance for Los Angeles this season, allowing two runs in 2.0 innings on July 26. He has pitched for the Brewers, Dodgers and Mets this season and he is a combined 5.40 ERA (8 ER/13.1 IP) and eight strikeouts. He has been in the Majors parts of three seasons with Chicago (2020), Texas (2022), Milwaukee (2023), Los Angeles (2023) and New York (2023), posting a 2-2 mark with a 7.45 ERA (24 ER/29.0 IP) and 16 strikeouts against 17 walks. In his minor league career, he has appeared in 156 games (100 starts), recording a 4.06 ERA (268 ER/594.2 IP) and 578 strikeouts against 200 walks. He was originally drafted by the Chicago Cubs in the fourth round of the 2016 First Year Player Draft out of California Baptist University.

    Gonsolin, 29, finished the season with an 8-5 mark and a 4.98 ERA (57 ER/103.0 IP) with 82 strikeouts in 20 starts. He has been with the Dodgers five seasons, posting a combined 34-11 record with a 3.19 ERA (133 ER/375.2 IP) and 349 strikeouts in 79 games (71 starts). He was originally drafted by the Dodgers in the ninth round of the 2016 First Year Player Draft out of Saint Mary’s College.

  16. Anyone know what the franchise record is for the number of wins in a month? 21-4 so far in August with 4 to go. Should be fun Labor Day weekend against Atlanta. Freeman is going to cruise past the franchise record for # of doubles, sitting at 50 – 51, damn machine. Nice to see Mookie go yard, with a nice bomb.

    1. LA Dodger record is 22 set in 1965 and 1991. Dodger record is 25 set twice in Brooklyn, July of 1947 and August of 1953. Freddie Freeman set an LA Dodger record for doubles in a season with two today which gives him 50 on the year. He needs 3 to break the All-Time Dodger record of 52 set in 1929 by Johnny Fredricks. Mookie tied his career high with his 35th. Muncy also joined Snider, Piazza, Campy, Hodges and Karros as the only players with four or more years of 30 homers or more. Today was Stone’s first MLB win. Sheehan, and Miller also got their first MLB wins this season.

      1. Thanks for the info, appreciate it. Won both road series was icing on cake. Summer is sure slipping away, only 30 some regular season games before playoffs. Should be fun ride.

        1. They have 33 games left. In order to match their best season in LA of 57 wins, they need to win 14 of their remaining 17 home games. They need 20 wins to get to 100 which means winning 20 of 33. Unlikely. Especially playing teams like Atlanta, Miami and then having to face the Mariners in their home park. The D-Backs would need to win 12 more games than the Dodgers just to catch them. In other words, if LA goes 17-16 over their last 33, the D-Backs, who have played 2 more games than the Dodgers, would need to go 29-2 over their last 31 games. Not likely at all. After this 7-game home stand against AZ and the Braves, they go to Miami for 3, then 3 in DC. They come home for 3 against the Padres, then up to Seattle for 3. Back home to face Detroit (3), four against the Giants, then they finish the season on the road with 4 in Colorado, including a doubleheader on the 26th. then 3 in San Francisco.

  17. The 1953 Dodgers and the 2022 Dodgers have the two highest winning percentages in Dodger history. 1953 the winning percentage was .682. In 2022 it was .685.

  18. Just saw Oppenheimer. Its amazing. Endorse it more than Barbie or Dead Reckoning, even though those two are also GREAT times.

    1. I saw Oppenheimer last week. Excellent film. Haven’t seen Barbie, have zero interest in seeing that. Nor Dead Reckoning. I am looking forward to seeing Equalizer 3.

      1. Equalizer movies are underrated.

        Barbie a little preachy, but clever and fun.

        Dead Reckoning not as fun as Fallout, but fun

          1. Meh. Barbie addresses the patriarchy with a lot of laughs. Much more funny than preachy.
            Oppenheimer is indeed a great, great film.
            Barbie is great, inventive entertainment with a lot of laughs. Ask women of a certain age what they think. Saw it with my sister, who is now 71, and my daughter, who turns 20 in a few weeks. My sister lamented how Mom finally got her a Barbie when she had just outgrown such a doll. For my daughter, who didn’t play much with dolls, it was an amusing history lesson.

  19. OKC is bombing the Albuquerque. The new guys are killing it, Wong and the outfielder. Hasn’t been a good series for OKC but this is a breakout.

  20. It seems only an unexpected setback could derail Treinen’s return by September.

    But I’m reminded of Robert’s recently weird comment that Treinen is a “long-shot” to make it back this season.

    So if a few more successful outings by Blake in OKC does NOT result in his call-up next month, it would confirm my suspicion that things may not be well between Treinen and the Dodgers hierarchy.

    Let’s hope this isn’t the case.

    1. I think it’s just “coach speak” for not wanting to put too much pressure on Blake to be the BP savior and to let him reassume his BP duties without a lot of high expectations.

      If he does well it’s good on Blake and if he doesn’t do well and doesn’t make the post season roster it’s because it was a long shot from the beginning.

      I think Doc is just trying to manage expectations.

      1. I don’t see Doc ascribing “long-shot” to Treinen as being encouraging, ..but actually discouraging to him.

        I’m still suspicious, ..but we’ll see.

    2. I think the very very very first presser that I remember Roberts giving was when he said, unequivocally, that Andre Ethier suffered a bruise in a Spring training game and would play the next day. He actually had broken his leg and his career was effectively over.

      That was my early lesson to never ever believe anything coming out of Robert’s mouth when it comes to player injuries.

      1. I understand your point, but when Roberts “fudges” the truth about a players injury, it’s usually done to sugar-coat the prognosis of when the player will return, ..not to pessimistically pour cold water on someone nearing a return to the big club – Weird, the vibe just doesn’t feel right.

  21. Notwithstanding the Dodgers successful road trip, ..Urias’ last outing is STILL disturbing.

    This time of the season has historically been Julio’s time to shine. But yesterday, the “ace” of this staff didn’t.

    1. Yes, I’d feel much better if Julio had been sharp.
      Dodgers are counting on him in the postseason.

  22. Gavin Stone’s encouraging outing today brings hope for him next year. His “stuff” IS good, and will be refined this off-season.

  23. “That was my early lesson to never ever believe anything coming out of Robert’s mouth when it comes to player injuries.”

    Ironic, don’t you think, that his nickname should be Doc.

  24. I was just reading the comments regarding the worth of JDM vs. Justin Turner. I might make some mistakes, because I’m not going look back at their individual numbers and personal information. But based on what I think I remember, the Dodgers did not sjgn Turner because he insisted on a multi-year deal, and the Dodgers were unwilling to do that given that they were considering signing Ohtani going into 2024. Also, I believe that Turner is 38 vs. 35 for JDM.

  25. Those were key factors.
    Another factor was JDM’s willingness to take a bit of a discount to come to LA. He wanted to reunite with Von Scoyoc and Mookie, and also play for a championship.
    it’s interesting how JT, although older, seems more durable than JDM. Certainly hope JDM comes back strong, but there’s no guarantee of that.

    1. Sometimes age can be deceptive in determining a player’s likelihood for injuries. Yeah, JD is younger than Justin, but does that really mean it automatically gave Martinez an advantage in “health.?” Not necessarily.

      And now with the real possibility of JD unable to make it back for the post-season, ..or coming back diminished due to his ailments.. one must consider if the Dodgers braintrust miscalculated their medical prognosis of Martinez before signing him this year.

      1. Again I say we can’t look in ‘hindsight’. JDM had a great year, players get injured and there is no way to predict that. Management doesn’t have a crystal ball

        1. The last time JD had a spell on the IL he came back strong.
          There’s no need to rush him back, let him recover and be fit for the Post Season.

          Some battle going on in the AL West!

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