Early in the 2021 season, that question was asked by more than a few Dodger fans. The Dodgers were in search of a left-handed reliever and there were several well-known options available, at least in trade. So what did Andrew Friedman do? He did as he often seems to do. He acquired a player with whom we were not all that familiar or we simply wondered why.
On February 12, 2021, the Miami Marlins traded LHP Alex Vesia and RHP Kyle Hurt to the Dodgers for Dylan Floro. Floro had been a reliable reliever for the Dodgers who was still only 30 years old. I indicated that Miami had made the trade as I had come across this quote in a LA Times article.
“If the Dodgers’ bullpen implodes in October, Kim Ng could be to blame. She practically stole one of their best relievers from them.”
The quote was from last May so perhaps was a bit premature but suggested that Andrew Friedman had been snookered by former Dodger front office person Kim Ng. The article suggested it was typical Ng having been a student in the Dodgers front office.
It is also probably a bit early to come to a conclusion as to whom the snookered label should apply. That is, Friedman or Ng and perhaps each side got exactly what they wanted so there was no snookering.
For Dodger fans, we now know Alex Who is 25-year-old Alex Vesia. I love it when guys come out of the woodwork so to speak and decided to do a background check on Vesia. That is his history as a professional baseball player.
First Inning: Childhood and High School
Vesia was born in Alpine, California which is about 140 miles a bit southeast of Los Angels but only about 28 miles from San Diego.
He played Little League baseball, rode his bicycle, and stayed busy in the family’s large backyard as he enjoyed being outside, growing up in Alpine, the East County town of some 15,000 residents tucked into the Cuyamaca Mountains.
“When I wasn’t playing baseball,” he said, “I was usually out at the desert, riding a dirt bike or camping with my family.”
Vesia attended Steele Canyon High School in Spring Valley, California, where he played baseball. In 2014, his senior year, he earned All-East County honors.
He didn’t play high school ball in his freshman year but as a sophomore, he had been bitten by the baseball bug.
“My sophomore year I really wanted to make varsity. I felt like I had a good tryout but they put me on JV,” Vesia said. “It wasn’t what I wanted, but I told myself I’d work hard and by the end of the year, I’d be on varsity.”
His hard work and dedication paid off serving as a lynchpin for his professional career as he got to start on the varsity squad on the last day of the season.
Second Inning: University
Liking the feeling he had from pitching before a small crowd in high school, Vesia knew what he wanted to do for the next number of years. He wanted to help his parents out with paying for college and getting a degree. But most of all he knew he wanted to play baseball.
Following high school, he went on to play baseball and pursue his degree at California State University, East Bay. He chuckles as he explains why he chose to attend CSUEB.
“It was an easy decision for me to choose East Bay, they were the only school to offer me a scholarship,” said Vesia with a grin. “The Head Coach at the time Bob Ralston and Pitching Coach Paul Moore gave me a call and said they wanted me to visit the campus. I had no idea about the Bay Area before heading into that eight-hour drive to Hayward. But I immediately fell in love with the campus and it became one of the best decisions of my life so far. I would not change it for anything.”
The southpaw enjoyed his best season at East Bay as a senior, posting an 8-2 record in 78.2 innings. He struck out 82 and walked 28. He ranked No. 2 in the CCAA in wins, earned run average, strikeouts, and opponent batting average. His 1.95 ERA was the lowest by a Pioneer pitcher in the CCAA era (among qualified starters), and he rattled off a streak of 45 consecutive innings without allowing an earned run during March and April of 2018. Vesia was twice named CCAA Pitcher of the Week during that stretch.
He would go on to cement his place as one of the best hurlers in the history of Pioneer baseball. During the 2018 season, he became Cal State East Bay’s all-time leader in career wins (24), strikeouts (249), and innings pitched (313.2). He also boasts the 10th-best career ERA in program history at 3.01. Vesia is a two-time All-Region selection, three-time All-CCAA selection, and CSUEB’s Male Athlete of the Year for 2017-18.
Third Inning: 2018 First-Year Player Draft
As the 2018 draft approached Vesia naturally was concerned if, in what round and with whom he might be selected. His head coach at Cal State East Bay, Mike Cummins, offered him some sage advice.
“Before the draft, Mike Cummins sat me down in his office and he was like, “You’re not gonna make your money out of the draft, but you’re gonna make your money in the big leagues,” Vesia said. “I told every scout, give me the opportunity and I’m gonna run with it,” he recalled.
He did get an opportunity when the Miami Marlins selected him in the 17th round of that 2018 First-Year Player Draft becoming the 507th overall selection.
“It was such an amazing feeling to hear my named get called,” expressed Vesia. “Truthfully, it wasn’t an easy process and it was a long three days waiting to see where I would go. But one thing I knew was that I was ready to challenge myself on the next level.”
Fourth Inning: Start of Professional Career 2018
Vesia began his professional career with the rookie-level Gulf Coast Marlins before moving on to Class-A ball after 8.2 innings. With the GCL Marlins in his four appearances, he posted a 0.00 ERA and a 0.808 WHIP along with seven strikeouts and three walks.
On July 20, 2018, the Miami Marlins promoted Vesia to the short-season-A Batavia Muckdogs in the New York-Penn League. Four days later, he struck out four in a scoreless three-inning appearance, a 7-1 win for the Staten Island Yankees. In his final appearance of the season, on September 2nd, he struck out six in three scoreless innings in a 5-4 win over the Auburn Doubledays.
While with the Muckdogs, Vesia struck out 31 and walked four while posting a 1.82 ERA and a 1.25 WHIP. Between the two levels, he walked only seven batters, a 1.89 BB/9 rate along with a 10.93 K/9 strikeout rate.
Fifth Inning: Three and Up 2019
During the 2019 season Vesia moving quickly through three levels on MiLB ball moving smoothly through Class-A Clinton in the Midwest League, on to High-A Florida of the Florida State League, and finishing the season with Jacksonville in the AA Southern League. Through 66.2 innings in 2019.
He posted a collective 1.76 ERA and a 0.945 WHIP along with 100 strikeouts and 19 walks.
With the Double-A Jacksonville Jumbo Shrimp of the Southern League, he topped off his season – while impressing scouts – with a 2-0 record, a 0.00 ERA after not allowing any runs scored through nine games of action to go along with 25 strikeouts and one save.
Vesia’s 2019 season didn’t end in Jacksonville. He was chosen by the Marlins to participate in the Arizona Fall League as a member of the Salt River Rafters. All he did was earn Rising Star Recognition over nine appearances and 10.1 innings pitched by allowing no earned runs while striking out 16 and walking two. After the grind of the 2019 MiLB season, Vesia relished the chance to compete in the Arizona Fall League with many of baseball’s budding stars.
“In the Arizona Fall League, I got a chance to pitch against some of the top talented prospects from around the world. It really gave me a chance to see what I was made of. It was a necessary test for me to face future big leaguers and I feel it prepared me for my next phase in life.”
“Going to the Fall League seeing top prospects — I was like, “Bring it.” I just told myself to make the most of the opportunity. Then getting the call to big league camp I told myself the same,” Vesia said. “I can’t complain any day of the week. I love what I do.”
Fun Fact: Alex Vesia during the 2019 season strung together 35.2 innings of scoreless ball. That includes nine straight scoreless innings at Jupiter, 16.1 at Double-A Jacksonville and 10.1 in the Arizona Fall League. Going back into 2018 make that 41 consecutive innings of scoreless ball.
Sixth Inning: The Bump in the Road 2020
Last year was a year for many of us to forget, especially minor league players who were denied a developmental year. Alex Vesia was one of those who struggled with the Covid-19 shut down.
“I was shocked to hear the news at first,” expressed Vesia. “There were so many what if’s going through me mind. Where do I go? How can I train in these conditions? I spoke with some of the guys on the team about their plans to help me with my decision. I’ll admit it was a little frustrating at first because I was really beginning to build great chemistry with the guys in the clubhouse and our new pitching coach Mel Stottlemyre. Then I immediately realized that this entire situation was bigger than baseball and it’s important for me to be around my family during this current state of affairs.”
He worked out his own training routine in his parents garage trying to continue to develop and be ready for the 2021 season and was invited as a non-roster player to the Marlins spring training facility.
In between he did make his professional MLB debut with the Marlins in 2021 never having pitched at the AAA level and only 16.1 innings at the AA level in 2019.
Things did not go well with the Marlins and may well be the blessing the Dodgers needed to acquire Vesia. Over five appearances – one in July, two in August and two in September – he gave up nine earned runs over 4.1 innings pitched with seven walks and five strikeouts. That’s an 18.69 ERA.
Seventh Inning: The Trade
Was it Vesia’s 18.69 ERA in 4.1 innings pitched that made him expendable by the Marlins? Was it his minor league numbers that made him coveted by the Dodgers? That is, throwing 100 innings while striking out 138 and walking just 26, for a 1.62 ERA. Maybe it was a 41 inning scoreless streak.
Maybe it is as Dodger Digest points out. Vesia’s stuff seems unimpressive at first glance, he throws a 92 mph fastball 73% of the time, mixing in a slider and change. Of course, what stands out in his numbers is that he gets a ton of whiffs despite that profile, which is due to his vertical movement on the pitch. The type of arm the Dodgers are coveting is not much of a secret, and Vesia fits the bill.
Pitching coach Mark prior has said Vesia’s fastball is unique and comes out free and easy.
“It’s been jumping out on guys,” Prior said on Sunday. “It is very eye-opening.”
According to Brooks Baseball, Vesia uses a four-seam, a slider and a changeup, although he threw his fastball 72.8 percent of the time last year with the Marlins. Last September, his four-seam peaked just shy of 93 MPH, but it is known much more for its movement, specifically the whopping 10-inch drop.
Maybe it was this.
“There isn’t anything I feel like I can’t do. My mom always told me I’m a man on a mission. I truly believe that,” Vesia said holding back a tear. “I get a little emotional about it because this is what I want to do: I want to play on the biggest stage with the guys behind me and we’re competing. Its the coolest feeling in the world and it’s great to see hard work pay off.”
Eighth Inning: Option Central
During the current campaign Vesia has been optioned to the OKC Dodgers four times and recalled. Did the Dodgers know something that could be fixed or smoothed out for Vesia at the AAA level? I’m thinking yes. His big issue with the parent Dodgers in 2021 seemed to be lack of control. In May he issued 11 walks compared to 13 strikeouts over 9.2 innings pitched.
His season stat line now reads somewhat differently. Over 30 innings pitched he has a 2.40 ERA along with a 0.83 WHIP and an opponents batting average of .094. He has struck out 39 and walked 16 (11 last May). Just to highlight things a bit, over his last 18.1 innings pitched he has allowed one earned run. (This was written before the home run he gave up against the Rockies on Friday.)
What has happened with Alex Vesia? He thinks that going to OKC helped him clear his head.
He began to put it together with Oklahoma City in June, striking out 15 consecutive batters over five appearances from June 20 through July 6. Since rejoining the Dodgers in early July, he has faced 48 batters and struck out 17, giving up just five hits (no home runs) and, most importantly, walking only three.
“I feel really confident. I know I’ve put in the hard work,” Vesia said. “Going down to Triple-A, I got to clear my head. Coming back up, I was able to just bring what I was doing in Triple-A and it carried over to the big leagues now.”
¹Nothing stood out. I just think clearing my head and building on good inning after good inning after good inning helps. … Just building confidence one good inning at a time.”
There will be games when the sailing for Vesia isn’t totally smooth, as with all players, but it seems he is equipped to move from those after having navigated some rough waters along the way.
Ninth and Extra Innings: Your turn to write. What is the next step for Alex Vesia?
In Monday’s game it touched 97 MPH
Postseason: potentially 2nd most trusted set-up arm along with Treinen.
Great insightful article on Vesia. He’s a hard worker with his head on straight. Highway robbery by Andrew Friedman and staff. They definitely do their homework on players, Bickford is another example of a move by Andrew off the wire of a first rounder by SF with very little big league experience. Where would the Dodger bullpen be without Vesia and Bickford this year with so many of our starters injured?
Great job DC! I’m sure everyone wanted more information on Alex, who is quickly becoming everyone’s favorite lefty reliever. Could he be Kenley’s heir apparent?
My brother was moving my niece to Alpine, CA on Friday from Colorado. I told him to keep an eye out for the Vesias. He was surprised to the hear that Alpine was Alex’s home town.
You might have to do a piece on Justin Bruihl if he keeps up his great work as well. Another guy that seemed to come out of nowhere.
Good game last night. The bullpen has really been stepping up for quite a while now. Again, throwing up a bunch of zeros until the offense could to it’s job against the opposition bullpen. Will Smith and AJ Pollock keep coming up clutch with Will breaking the tie and finally breaking through a bases loaded situation and AJ adding an insurance run.
I wonder how many people will complain about Cody today. He went 0-4 with a K, but he also hit three balls very hard. It’s tough that he didn’t wind up having anything to show for it, but it looks like he’s close to breaking out and his ABs were competitive even though he’s still chasing out of the zone from time to time.
I was watching an interview with Doc this morning and he was talking about Mitch White making the start today. He was asked why Mitch will start as opposed to using an opener as they are inclined to do lately like he just did with David Price and Andre Jackson. His answer was that White’s platoon splits are pretty neutral. What? Go check the stats Doc, the most neutral platoon splits out of those three pitchers is David Price.
I really don’t like how they’re using Price. Maybe I’m putting more faith in him than he deserves, but I think they should roll him out there as a starter and keep increasing his pitch counts. For some reason, they are reluctant to do so, even though throughout his career he seems to get better as he pitches deeper into games. Do they want him to keep coming into games in relief in preparation for his postseason role? Do they have another idea for 4th and 5th starters the rest of the way? Are we going to keep having bullpen games since the bullpen is so dominant?
Tony Gonsolin is ahead of Clayton Kershaw and Danny Duffy right now. They will be joining the team in that order and none of them have enough time on the schedule to be built up as a starter, but there’s more than enough arms there to use them in a “piggy back” situation while they build up over the remainder of the season. I’m just not sure there’s enough roster spots to accommodate all of the potential short starters including Price, White, Jackson, Gonsolin, Kershaw and Duffy. We’ll be able to build half of a pitching staff with the pitchers that will be left off of the postseason rosters.
Gavin Lux is taking balls in the outfield before minor league games as he plays 3b during the games. With the very possible departure of Seager and CT3 next year and TT a capable shortstop and with Mookie playing more second base lately, Lux just might inherit that utility role until he can figure out how to earn a starting job on the team. Maybe Edwin Rios is going to have to pick up an outfielders glove and give it a good break in during the offseason. But, after seeing Bellinger struggle after shoulder surgery, I’m not feeling great about Rios’ chances to take over a starting job next season.
With a day game after a night game today, Smith will be on the bench. Let’s NOT find a way to get McKinney into the lineup today.
For all the Roberts apologists that are out there, please explain this (non)decision of his in the first inning of today’s game vs the Rockies.
The Rockies have 2 runners on base with 2 outs and CJ Cron is coming up to bat. As of Aug 28 2021, CJ Cron was the leading offensive player for Aug in Major Leagues in Batting %, Home Runs, and Rbi/s. The next player up in the on-deck circle was batting .178. I was yelling at the tv (hoping that at least 1 person could get through to Roberts’ thick skull) telling DR to walk him. I yelled it until the count was 2-1. After that I gave up on the sleepy manager.
So then I pleaded for White to take matters into his own hands and throw 2 pitches inside to walk Cron himself. Well every Dodger fan knew (except 1) what the result was going to be…….DR is an idiot not to see that this was going to happen.
In the past series in SD, there were baseball observers that were calling him brilliant (?) because in the late innings of OT he walked 2 of the SD players (I think in the first example it might have been Tatis & Muchado and in the 2 managerial move it might have been Muchado and Cronenwerth?) to pitch to a vastly inferior player. In each case of the intentional walks, the Dodger pitcher retired the ensuing batter. Brilliant ???, brilliant ??? – it was nothing more than common sense….oh by the way, the players they retired were the only remaining players still available on the bench.
So why couldn’t Roberts use the same “intelligence “today. Also, at the beginning of the LAD game today, the Braves were leading 9-0. So it was even more imperative that the blue team do all possible in their approach to today’s game to trim the lead to 1.5 games.
Also (as if anything else should have bee needed to trigger his ageing mind), the Dodgers were going through another of their mini batting woes. The only 2 players that were carrying the remainder of the team were Trea and Will and Will was not starting today’s game. So maybe Roberts thought, even if Cron hits a HR, we know we can come back against the Rockies………..ok really, really ! ?
So tell me Roberts apologists, what was his strategy for allowing Cron to come to bat ??????
Informal poll to my Dodger Talk readers:
If the Dodgers choose to only sign 1 player between Seager and Trea for the long term, who do you think they should sign ?
I would sign Trea in a heartbeat. Considering that he is a better hitter, base runner, disruptive to pitchers and much less injury prone, it is a no brainer.
Seager’s agent is probably going to try to get a no trade clause attached to his upcoming new contract offer from AF. Because he knows if he signs with the LAD without a no trade cause, there is a good chance AF would trade him to another team in the winter meetings for 2022 and then sign TT to a long term contract.
Over and out……..
Agree!
Excellent write-up about Vesia.
Yes, Andrew Friedman has put together a pretty good bullpen. Hopefully they won’t burn out from all the bullpen games.
At this point the biggest issue for the Dodgers has been consistent hitting. Too many hitters swinging at bad pitches. Thank goodness for Will Smith and Trea Turner.
Back to Vesia, he has some fire and attitude when he comes in the game. Great pick-up.
Maybe this means something or maybe it doesn’t, but Cody Bellinger’s swings are looking better.
David Price needs to do a better job. Not very impressive.
Great article DC. It’s always great to see a fellow Californian come back home to rock. Glad Florida lost patience with Alex.
Great win last night. I know some were upset to see Seager and Pollock on the bench, but Doc knows we are playing a day game today, so don’t overburden his players….especially against a mediocre team like Colorado. These guys especially need to be fresh against the Braves coming into town. We will be facing two solid lefties so I doubt we will score many runs against them. Hopefully our pitchers can match them and do a bit better.
Many thanks go out to Wonderful William and Terrific Trea for much of the offense last night.
And yes, much thanks to every guy who threw a baseball as well. To hold them to 3 hits was pretty amazing.
The pitching match up in Atlanta today favors the Giants so I’m not expecting any help, so we better take care of business ourselves.
Speaking of the Giants…I have to say this for them….unlike us, they know how to come back from a deficit in the 8th and 9th innings. That really impresses me. It’s sad to see our boys have only come back from a deficit when batting in the 9th inning only one time this year. How come? How come the no name Giants can do it often and we can only do it once?
Anyhow, let’s win today and see what happens in Atlanta, my home town. (No, I’m not attending the game.)
TM
Well, isn’t that (Georgia) Peachy?
😉
David Price opted out of 2020 because of what I believe is injury.
Maybe his UCL is hanging on by a thread. He evidently does not want to throw many pitches and they evidently do not want him to.
Maybe it’s not Doc’s call.
Maybe he prefers to not start the game. I have no idea if that is true or not, but of course, it could be. The Red Sox are paying half his salary because he is diminished and/or damaged.
Personally, I do not think they should build up Kershaw, Gonsolin, and Duffy. If they can start by throwing 1 or 2 innings and then 2 or 3 innings, that is enough.
Playoff Rotation:
1. Buehler
2. Urias
3. Scherzer
Split up the RH and LH pitchers.
4. Kershaw, Price, Gonsolin, Duffy
8. Knebel
9. Vesia
10. White
11. Jansen
12. Treinen
13. Bickford
Pending: Kelly, Graterol, Greene
Who on earth ever thought this was not a bullpen?
The Dodgers team ERA sits at 3.00. Since the All-Star Game it is 2.70!
If you are worried about the bullpen being overworked, know that the Dodgers Bullpen is #12 in IP.
If Kelly is healthy, then he has to make the bullpen over White. And I’m not giving up on V Gon. He pitched some big pressure packed post season innings for us last year. If he’s healthy and back with his command then I’d like him in the pen
Maybe you’re right Mark about an injury.
But during two interviews just before returning to the rotation Price said he wanted to be a starter, looked forward to the opportunity, wanted to build up his stamina to go six or seven innings. He actually sounded excited.
Watching him last Saturday, the velo was there, the breaking stuff in the first inning was missing. He was getting behind, not a good sign. It was like he was pitching to avoid contact in the first, giving up three runs. Pitched better after that. Didn’t look like a pitcher with an injury issue, but who knows?
The only thing I know about his opt out (thought he was throwing well before they closed spring training down) was what he said about his family being the reason, didn’t want to put them at risk.
As to the bullpen, so far so good. But all these recent bullpen games are concerning. If I recall correctly back in 2017, didn’t they ride a couple of relievers hard and they wore down in the World Series? Or maybe the trash can got to them?
Agree with not trying to build up Kershaw, Duffy and Gonsolin. Based on a recent interview with Clayton that may not be his thinking, but time is running out.
I do find it interesting that Trea Turner is in a battle with Nick Castellanos for the batting title. You were right about pursuing the free agent back then. If only Friedman had listened. But it is what it is, he doesn’t listen to me either. But he did sign AJ Pollock.
Yes on the bullpen. The two relievers who were gassed were KJ and Brandon Morrow (especially Morrow). KJ 6 games and 8.2 IP, Morrow 7 games 5.1 IP. Other relievers:
Tony Cingrani – 3 games 3.0 IP
Josh Fields – 1 game – 0.0 IP
Kenta Maeda – 4 games 5.2 IP
McCarthy – 1 game 1.0 IP
Ross Stripling – 3 games 2.0 IP
Tony Watson – 5 games 3.2IP
I agree with you on Price not being injured last year. I am going to take him at his word that he took the season off to be with his family. I have no idea if he is injured this year or not. But again I will take him at his word and believe him when he says he is excited to start. I do not know why they are being overly cautious with him, but without any information, I have to believe that the organization knows what they are doing.
I thought Bellinger had much better ab’s last night. More competitive. When he drives an outside pitch to left field like Seager does then he will have more success.
DC–Do you think Noda could be a guy?
DL – I have been watching him and see a bit of a likeness to Max Muncy. Both left-handed bats with similar body builds but Noda a couple of inches taller. Noda has played first base and left field.
The loss of 2020 to the pandemic was unfortunate in that at age 25 he is still in his AA year. However, he seems to be making up for lost time. He has shown much more minor league power than Muncy and has a good BB/K ratio of about 3/4.
I believe his 26 home runs are the most by any Dodger minor league player in 2021 followed by Pages(25) and Ward (24), both with the Loons.
I am not sure if he is a guy but I wouldn’t bet against him making it to MLB as a utility player. I think he has to make better use of the field. That is, not to rely so much on pulling the ball. His patience at the plate gives him a good walk rate but perhaps also contributes to his strikeout rate.
It is unfair to make a Max Muncy comparison but Noda comes to play. I don’t think the Dodgers took him in the Ross Stripling trade just because they could. There were other players on the PTBNL list.
Noda might be in a bit of a squeeze with players in front of him and behind him. He will have to let his bat do the talking.
Thanks for the reply. I don’t know much about him but his power numbers are getting hard to ignore. Muncy is sneaky athletic so I don’t know how Noda compares there. Put him in the Rios/Raley/Reks category and hope he pans out.
Thanks Harold for the great article on Alex Vesia. Looks like he will be on the pitching staff for many years. Kyle Hurt the pitcher who was in the trade that brought Alex from the Marlins has worked his way up to Rancho. In 13 1/3 innings he has given up 12 runs. But the great part he has 24 strikeouts! Someone to keep an eye on.
Scott- you are scooping me on Kyle Hurt. lol. Part of MiLB Odds and Ends this coming week.
Eight of his strikeouts were with the ACL Dodgers but no walks there. As a 23-year-old he might have over-matched young hitters there.
Mike Busch played 1B last night. Miguel Vargas played 2B.
Make of it what you will.
Ha ha. You do know how to pick under the radar prospects to write about. I enjoy your view and keep it up!
Muchas gracias DC por tu excelente trabajo en tu creativa narración sobre Alex Vesia, en ésta novena entrada deseo que este muchacho mantenga la línea de trabajo y su enfoque mental en cada bateador que enfrente, entrada por entrada, porque en la medida de su éxito los rivales lo estudiaran más y, desde luego tendrá tropiezos que le harán madurar, ojalá que la membresía de Dodgers Talk no se desespere y continuemos apoyando a el y los demás muchachos que hacen grandes progresos. Saludos desde Guadalajara.
Jose,
Saludos desde Atlanta, Georgia
Hola TM, también recibe un cordial saludo de mi parte, por cierto me agradan tus buenas aunque en ocasiones controversiales contribuciones en este nuestro espacio, aprendo mucho de todos ustedes y abre otras perspectivas o visiones de aspectos de este nuestro deporte favorito, esteremos al pendiente de tus comentarios
Sunday’s Afternoon Lineup:
HITTERS H-AB RBI HR SB AVG
T. Turner2B 151-467 56 20 26 .323
M. Muncy1B 100-384 76 28 2 .260
A. PollockLF 103-339 56 16 8 .304
C. SeagerSS 65-240 33 6 1 .271
C. Taylor3B 122-442 67 19 13 .276
C. BellingerCF 43-254 32 9 2 .169
B. McKinneyRF 51-255 27 9 2 .200
A. BarnesC 36-165 19 5 0 .218
M. WhiteP 0-12 0 0 0 .00
08/29/21 Los Angeles Dodgers optioned RHP Edwin Uceta to Oklahoma City Dodgers.
08/29/21 Los Angeles Dodgers recalled RHP Mitch White from Rancho Cucamonga Quakes.
.169
.200
.218
.000
The Dodgers feel they can win with one hand tied behind their back.
3 guys getting rest at the same time (J Turner, Betts, Smith), this is ridiculous.
SOS just another day with Doc thinking we will win without 3 of our best. We haven’t been hitting at all the last 2 weeks but pitching has carried us. I guess the thinking is we are all but guaranteed of reaching playoffs but our clueless manager doesn’t realize the importance of winning the division.
You guys know rest is paramount to recovery, right?
* Great stuff DC. I love hearing about successes of kids like Vesia. Kids that were 17th rounders with little expectations. Except their own. Another great example that success isn’t a linear path. The Dodgers find them and develop them. Interesting that he’s a swing-and-miss guy with an average speed fastball that’s ticking up. No offense to Graterol, but he sits at 100 and doesn’t miss bats. Movement and location from Vesia versus straight gas from Graterol. What a nice find Vesia has been and I absolutely trust him in high leverage situations. Some had him off post season roster projections leaning toward experience. Not me. This kid needs to pitch. Thanks again DC.
* We have a Water Spigot offense. We were hitting 213 the last 13 games before last night.
* You can argue about Bellinger until the cows come home: I’ve read the following:
* sent him to AAA – really?
* sit him – really?
* platoon him – with who?
* Play him.
What’s wrong with him is moot right now. Swing changes, shoulder strengthening, mental cleansing, whatever, can wait for the off season. It’s too late for that now. Play him in center. Put him in the 8 hole and leave him alone. His speed and defense is valuable. I’m at a point, I expect nothing from him offensively. I have hope he might run into one or get hot. I can live with that for now.
* It worked fine last night but I still don’t like sitting 2 regulars at the same time.
* I’d like to see Doc rethink his stealing with TT. I see little reason to wait around with TT, putting the next hitters in a box. First, there should be a lefty in the 2 hole, which Doc does. If it’s Seager, put TT in motion on the first pitch. An automatic “run and hit”. Cory loves to hit the first strike. If it’s a ball, that’s a good pitch to run on. If it’s Muncy, I still like running early to give him a shot with TT on second. So straight steal early in the count. And when Muncy has an advantage count, or predictable chase count, it’s an automatic “run and hit”.
* How about Muncy’s bullet liner, one foot above 1st base, for the DP? The Baseball Gods are laughing their asses off on that one; the easiest DP in baseball.
* Practically the entire line up seems in a “pull mode” too much lately.
* Orel offered a great pitching clinic bottom 6 , on grips w/ all the variables. Finger pressures, finger positions, wrist angles. It was good and best of all he didn’t do it during a critical situation in the game.
* CT3 seems extremely frustrated right now. He needs to stop bitching and start swinging.
* I wonder when KJ goes into the Dodgers HOF someday will there be some fans screaming for Treinen to go in, instead!
The Nationals are calling up catching prospect Keibert Ruiz to make his team debut tomorrow, per a team announcement. The 23-year-old is widely-considered one of the team’s best prospects, if not the best. MLB Pipeline and Baseball America have him as the club’s number one, while FanGraphs has him second, behind only Josiah Gray, both of whom just joined the organization as part of the trade that sent Max Scherzer and Trea Turner to the Dodgers.
So far, all four major components have looked good. Don’t mind giving up talent if what we get back is elite. Trea & Scherzer are every bit as good as advertised. Baller trade.
Giants losing 3-0 in the 4th.
And doc decides he will give away another game with a typical rest Doctor lineup. What’s he waiting for? 2022?
White has pitched well so far but we need hitting and offense too to catch the Giants . Who are not resting their players as obsessive as Roberts does.
Go dodgers!
Update: Braves up 5-0 after 6
A little worried about seeing Joc in October.
Back from Maui.
Restaurants
Over-rated: Momma’s
Under-rated: Mala Tavern
Properly rated: Shaved Ice
Books;
Over-rated: Machiavelli’s The Price
Under-rated: James Lee Burke novels
Properly Rated: The Roger Angell Baseball Collection
Streamable Content:
Over-rated: Sicario
Under-rated: The Wire season about schools
Properly Rated: Ted Lasso (it’s SOOOOOOO good.)
Hawaiian Activities:
Over-rated: paid Snorkel excursions
Under-rated: Asking a local then driving and snorkling.
Properly rated: Surfing.
Hawaiian Fishing:
Over-rated: Sport fishing anywhere but the big island
Under-rated: Sport fishing on the Big Island
Properly rated: Bottom fishing with family.
Baseball changes:
Over-rated: Banning the shift
Under-rated: Pitch clock
Properly rated: Automated strike zones.
Big mistake. You could see that coming a mile away. Just like Orel said, I wouldn’t pitch to that guy. I said the same thing to myself. You got a 178 hitter coming up behind him WTF
You don’t even have to think about it you don’t pitch around him you just put him on.
Cron was hotter than fire I mean he was plasma hot, big mistake
Agree. That guy is one of 2-3 batters that can really hurt you and you decide to give him something good to hit with a base open is stupid. I have not much hope that this Dodgers lineup can make up that early deficit the way they have been hitting lately.
Go Dodgers!!!!!!
Not only that, White has got to be pitching on egg shells. Knowing that he can’t give up any more runs it’s going to take him out of his rhythm
Hope I am wrong, I hope he gets his back up and throw shut out innings from here on out
Pathetic. How does our manager and veteran catcher let that happen?
Ditto! No second-guessing here — first-guessing! I was yelling at the screen to walk Cron! Gotta shake my head on that one. Each of the next four hitters were under .200 — come on!
Bad inicial day. Hope things change. What a couple of juicy balls yo Cron . They Say hit me
With three of our stars sitting and a three run deficit it’s going to be tough to pull this one out.
A 2-9 pitcher with an ERA around 5 is pitching a no hitter after 3.
And we know the Giants have lost…..
Where is the passion? Urgency?
Well, one thing I think I do know….if we don’t tie them or take the lead by 8 innings, it’s a loss. We fold like a cheap tent in the 9th when down. Sooooooo, there better be a sense of urgency soon.
Too bad Mitch didn’t have it today. Too bad we even have to count on him and Price to bail us out over and over. Too bad Trevor………..never mind!
I don’t blame White. He is battling out there, he should’ve been told to put Cron on. Without that fuck up will be tied at nada
Agreed. This is not on Mitch. He should never have been allowed to pitch to Cron in that situation.
If we lose this game the weekend will have been a huge disapppointment. Could have gained 1 or even 2 games on the Giants vs one of the worst teams in the league and could not do it.
Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!
Please TM, how does one sense passion n urgency??? I assume you have played ball at many levels, possibly a 162 gm.??? I need your expertise to better my viewing disdain…
Could DR be the culprit??
You know they yell at players anymore, they yell at their agents…
Get base runners….get hits
Clowns to the left of me!
Jokers to the right!
Here I am stuck in the middle with you!
This is one time I have to agree that sitting 3 of your best hitters against a pitcher they have owned all year, knowing that the Giants were being handled by the Braves with a chance to gain a game in the standings is really dumb. Betts has played 2 games since he was activated and he needs a rest? Smith is the hottest bat on the team, and the big RBI guy so far. JT has been slumping, so maybe he might need a day off. But smarter at bats would help also. 3 of those guys saw less than 3 pitches. Seager and Bellinger got themselves out on first pitches. Bad hitting approach. Bad decision pitching to the hottest Rockie. Bad decision not trading for one more HEALTHY starter at the deadline, not an arm that is doing you no good on the IL> Duffy.
Finally get a runner in scoring position and McKinney is at bat and of course an out.
Very frustrating to watch this…..
1st and third, one out…
And we have to see McKinney and Barnes up….I guess Doc isn’t as concerned to gain a game today as he is to rest his stars.
And then Barnes with an out to end the inning.
Not that I dislike Barnes. I just dislike resting multiple stars.
Obviously the rest doctor does not care for the division title. Seems to be content to make it to the wild card game relying on WB or MS nailing that one game playoff down for him.
Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dodgerram
That is what I’m starting to think.
Imagina que en el juego de comodines salgan tan pasivos y faltos de intensidad tanto jugadores como manager, solo será una temporada tirada a la basura. Esto es porque se critica tanto a Doc, a reserva que esto moleste a Mark, es el aquí y ahora y no que tener que perder una batalla para ganar una guerra, porque de seguir así, es posible que cuando despierten no habrá más guerra que pelear.
Got get that career .200 hitter in the lineup back to back days. He’s not even that for the Dodgers.
Yeah, I try to stay away from second guessing Doc, but when I saw him:
1. Allow White to,pitch to Cron over the next guy, who is pretty weak…..seriously Doc? Their best hitter with a lot of power vs a very weak hitter with no power.
Result: 3 run HR
2. And then with first and third one out, Doc stays with a .190 hitter and a .210 hitter instead of using one of his stars on his bench.
Result: No runs
Very frustrating…..but I’m sure if we win, all will be forgiven, and I’m also sure somebody can make a case (weak one) to defend Doc in both of these instances.
But I hate doing this…..
TM
Exactly. Good post.
And that umpire behind the plate isn’t helping matters. And I contend that the incompetent ball and strike calling hurts patient teams like the Dodgers more than most, because they’re more likely to lay-off pitches off the plate.
might need a walk-off today . . .
Sensational catch by Belli!!!!!!!!Wow, one of the all time great catches in the OF I have ever seen.
Amazing!!!!
Will that wake up the bats!!!!????
Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least Cody is doing his part today….
Billinger is our MVP….jajaja!!!
Cody‘s defense is elite, agree with all three of your bad’s Bear
Running out of innings but I’m trying to stay optimistic, what else can I do I have no control over anything.
Wish they tried to play more small ball, but I guess that would be overly optimistic
Huh…
We still have a shot to win this game, so maybe I should shut up
I thought when Friedman got Trea Turner he made the starting lineup Doc/idiot proof. I guess not.
Very reminiscent of Mattingly’s bizarre lineups.
Awful approach by the Dodgers today to say the least and I agree with the other posts that seem to agree. This game is one to circle on your calendars when we look back to see how the NL West & Playoffs play out.
There have been several games that you could circle on your calendar. But I get your point good post.
It will be because of Doc if we don’t win the division.
They have had such a good month of August and a chance to gain a game in the standings. You can’t tell me some of these players didn’t see what was going on in Atlanta with the Braves and Giants and then look at the lineup and say WTF? I’m sure Mark will be all over these comments and possible shut the board down like he has in the past or rip us in future posts.
Yep
Nah, I have decided to let people see what the Dunning-Kruger Effect looks like.
In case you don’t know (well you probably do, because many of you know everything else). The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. The combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads them to overestimate their own capabilities.
The term lends a scientific name and explanation to a problem that many people immediately recognize—that fools are blind to their own foolishness. As Charles Darwin wrote in his book The Descent of Man, “Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
See, I don’t have access to all the information that Dave Roberts has. I don’t know who is tired, fatigued, slightly injured, or is being rested to prevent injury, but you obviously do.
I do not have all the analytical information that you and Dave Roberts do.
I do not know who may go on the IL next but you all knew that Joe Kelly had a mass on his shoulder and that Mookie Betts has a bone spur in his hit before anyone else.
You all know that Dave Roberts loves to give games away so that he can get fired and not collect a paycheck.
You all know that the Dodgers are lazy, unmotivated and feckless.
Yeah, Right!
The Dunning Kruger Effect means that low performers are unable to recognize the skill and competence levels of other people, which is part of the reason why they consistently view themselves as better, more capable, and more knowledgeable than others, like Dave Roberts for example.
In many cases, incompetence does not leave people disoriented, perplexed, or cautious. Instead, the incompetent are often blessed with an inappropriate confidence, buoyed by something that feels to them like knowledge.
So, what we are seeing here in the Dunning Kruger Effect right here, right about now. Have at it, because I know most of you will never recognize it. Why try.
Ignorance must be bliss and you are happy!
Funny, typical response to come back and undermine your posters like you always do.
For me and others all we hear is you have to win the battle to win the war. Well today’s game was a battle that needed to be won.
Mark, you sir are the guru of bullshit.
Watch and learn, little man!
Game over. Another game given away by Roberts and the Dodgers. Sloppy play, no urgency, no passion, no nothing.
Good night everybody. I do not expect the Dodgers to win the division this year. Lets hope that either WB or MS has one of their best days in that one game wild card playoff game.
Obviously the rest doctor seems to be content with that route.
Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I no longer fear a one game playoff. You know why? Because if we can’t overtake SF, we don’t deserve anything more. I’m tired of stressing over passing SF. If we come in 2nd, you still have to win, whether one or 7 games.
The BP games are starting to take a toll on the staff. They have to get CK back (but I don’t that to happen) or insert someone as a starter and roll with it.
Is it Jackson or is it White or is it someone else? A three man starting rotation is not going to cut it.
Give credit to the “enemy”….. my three stars go to…..drum roll please….
1. Colorado Rockies team- came into LA with only pride to play for and they punched us in the face hard for 2 of the 3 games. I hope they can do the same to the Giants when they play them again.
2. ANTONIO SENZATELA.- What a masterful pitching performance for a guy 2-9 with an ERA between 4-5. To come into the Lion’s Den and completely dominate us is truly amazing and worthy of a high five and a Pat on the back.
I like to root for the underdog so I truly am happy for this young kid. I’m sure his family is proud too.
3. CJ Cron- I’m sure he knew how important it would be if he could give Antonio and early lead to help him relax a bit. And he did, in a big way…a 3 run shot in the first inning.
Sorry, I couldn’t find a Dodger player to crack this top 3, but hats off to CODY BELLINGER for making a great catch and for getting a single (1 of the 2 hits).
Let me know if you appreciated this game summary….
TM
Yeah a tip of the cap to the Rockies. I know you can’t win them all and it’s hard to bitch but the games are slipping away to win division. I too do not want to play in the Wild Card round, then if we win have to go on road to SF.
All I can say is how embarrassing for us. The Giants are laughing in their beer, saying, yeah we lost by a lot better team than you did. And we’re not gonna lose that many more so try and catch us ha ha. OBTW Good luck with that one game playoff. Thanks for expediting things Doc
After saying all this, you can’t win if you don’t score. So never mind
oh yeah good take TM
Looks like we got a new opener in J.T.
Except he should have intentionally walked Cron. Lol
Dodgerdog days. Can’t say great pitching shutout our offense. Can point at all points for the reason of this loss except at Jansen and Bellinger, at least that’s refreshing. How do you like me now?
So I won’t say I told you so that the lineup sucked today and that our POS mgr is the reason we are looking up to the gnats. Oh it makes sense to not start JT and yet he gets into the game anyway and you let him pitch…what a joke! Why are you using Jansen in a game that was lost in the first inning???? Why are you pitching to Cron with a .170 hitter on deck? Why didn’t Urias start today on regular rest so we would have (Urias…Buehler…Scherzer) to face the gnats next weekend on regular rest? I know some will say it didn’t matter because our HOMER HAPPY swinging team didn’t score but I just want some answers to why we are not putting our best lineups on the field each day??
Frustrated more than ever with Doc’s decisions because a team with all this talent should be not be looking up to the giants.
The constant bullpen games are beginning to take a toll. 3 games with a weak sister they have dominated, the Rockies, and two losses directly pinned on sub par pitching and zero offense. Rockies pitchers, none of whom has an ERA below 4, stifle the Dodger offense, which over the month of August, has sucked big time. Muncy. Taylor, Turner, JT that is, Bellinger, all slumping. Muncy has lost close to 20 points on his average. Turner was up over .290, and now is under .280. We all know about Bellinger’s struggles, and Taylor, despite homering last night, has struck out 33 times in his last 85 at bats. Smith and Pollock have been their best hitters along with Trea Turner. But as a group, they are not hitting on all cylinders. Muncy has struck out 22 times in the last 4 weeks. He has started 4 games this week and is hitting .059 with 5 K’s in 17 at bats. Bellinger has struck out 28 times in 82 at bats over the last 4 weeks. Strike outs a empty at bats. Turner is hitting .188 over the last 4 weeks and has 13 K’s, When your best players all slump at the same time, it is going to seriously impact your ability to score runs. When your bullpen is called on every 4th and 5th day to supply bulk innings, efficiency of said bullpen is going to be impacted and that happened today. They added offense at the deadline with T. Turner. They added starting pitching with Scherzer. But the Duffy trade has brought them nothing yet. The starting pitching beyond Urias, Buehler and Scherzer is non existent right now. Price, whether injured or not, has not gone 5 innings yet. Gonsolin, if he comes back soon, has not been stretched out. Same with Kershaw. Duffy will not be available until mid September at best and then most likely only in relief. I think AF should have secured at least one more healthy arm for a serious run at the Giants. The good news is that other than Webb, and Wood, the Giants starting pitching is hurting too. Cueto has been ok, but not great and can be beat. But Desclafani, who came off of the IL today, is most probably going back on with the same problem, and Gausman has become human and vulnerable lately. We face the Braves with our best pitchers. Giants have Cueto, Wood and Gausman going against Milwaukee, and the Brewers have their two best, Burnes and Woodruff before a BP game on Wednesday. Urias, Buehler and Scherzer for us against Atlanta, and Smyly, Morton and Fried facing LA. But, unless the offense comes out of this malaise, they are going to be very tight games. I did not mention Mookie because he has only played 2 games off of the IL> The thing is, Mookie gets hot, he can carry the team by himself. The way it stacks up, Urias would pitch Saturday in SF and Buehler, Sunday, On Wednesday the rosters can expand to 28 players.
In case you missed it earlier, I have decided to let people see what the Dunning-Kruger Effect looks like.
In case you don’t know (well you probably do, because many of you know everything else). The Dunning-Kruger effect is a type of cognitive bias in which people believe that they are smarter and more capable than they really are. Essentially, low ability people do not possess the skills needed to recognize their own incompetence. The combination of poor self-awareness and low cognitive ability leads them to overestimate their own capabilities.
The term lends a scientific name and explanation to a problem that many people immediately recognize—that fools are blind to their own foolishness. As Charles Darwin wrote in his book The Descent of Man, “Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.”
See, I don’t have access to all the information that Dave Roberts has. I don’t know who is tired, fatigued, slightly injured, or is being rested to prevent injury, but you obviously do.
I do not have all the analytical information that you and Dave Roberts do.
I do not know who may go on the IL next but you all knew that Joe Kelly had a mass on his shoulder and that Mookie Betts has a bone spur in his hit before anyone else.
You all know that Dave Roberts loves to give games away so that he can get fired and not collect a paycheck.
You all know that the Dodgers are lazy, unmotivated and feckless.
Yeah, Right!
The Dunning Kruger Effect means that low performers are unable to recognize the skill and competence levels of other people, which is part of the reason why they consistently view themselves as better, more capable, and more knowledgeable than others, like Dave Roberts for example.
In many cases, incompetence does not leave people disoriented, perplexed, or cautious. Instead, the incompetent are often blessed with an inappropriate confidence, buoyed by something that feels to them like knowledge.
So, what we are seeing here in the Dunning Kruger Effect right here, right about now. Have at it, because I know most of you will never recognize it. Why try.
Ignorance must be bliss and you are happy!
At first I thought you were talking about another coffee maker.
But I think I get what you’re getting at. It’s important to know what you don’t know.
What I do know it’s just sports
And what I don’t know is why you feel the need to spew so much venom
Post a photo of your library, Mark. I dare you.
I have 5 bookshelves and most of them have not been colored in.
🙂
BY the way, the Dodgers only have 3 starters, but that’s no excuse – Dave Roberts should be executed. It’s all his fault!
You people kill me!
The same dumbasses who wanted Urias to pitch would call Dave Roberts a Dumbass if Urias faded in the playoffs. “Doc overused him.”
Just so we are clear: I have ZERO respect for some of you fools, but I will let you spew your foolishness for all to see!
I respect your right to be a fool.
Isn’t this just what you wanted, people bitching? Last week you said “See what happens when the Dodgers don’t lose, no one posts”?
It’s all fine!
Don’t worry – Be happy!
That’s what I say Mark don’t let it get your blood pressure up
I think you more than qualify for the FOOL list….don’t build up Kershaw?? Ru smoking those funny cigarettes again?
If K is healthy he should be starting ahead of Urias who could be in the pen for the playoffs. Gonsolin is a big question mark whether can start again this year. We need to get another starter extended so we don’t have 3 bullpen games in a row….hoping that is K! And you think White will make the post season roster ahead of Kelly or Graterol??? Dream on BOZO…get real. So you keep spewing your garbage like you routinely do for us all to respect your right to be a FOOL with the rest of us.
So you think there is time to build him up? 5 out of 4 people struggle with math.
Our player development guys are so good that we are now developing players for other teams.
Old friend Yoshi Tsutsugo hit a 3-run walk off homer for the Bucs against the Cards today.
He has hit 5 homers in the 13 games he has played for them and is hitting over .300.
Sometimes a team’s roster just won’t allow them to keep a player they would like to keep. This might have been the case with Yoshi because he really was starting to hit at OKC when we released him.
We fixed him for Pittsburgh. They owe us.
Remember how everyone was against it? “This guy is a waste of roster spot.”
The sun isn’t as hot in Pittsburgh.
I still have faith in this team. Yes, it would be nice to have another starter, and yes, this team has a different aura with Muncy, Seager, Turner, Bellinger, Betts and Taylor all funking at the same time, but I still believe we will get it together before the end of the year. And if not? Oh well. Stuff happens. But I’m not so naive as to blame it on a manager. This game is about the players. We have the best players. They play their best, nobody beats us in a series. They don’t? Even Colorado can beat us.
For a loaded team like the Dodgers in a pennant race he was and still would be. Or you would have to sit Belli. Or Pollock. Or Taylor. Or Betts .
Go Dodgers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Y a Peters con 7 jonrones con Texas, lo malo que aquí no le pegaba a nada, estaría presionado?
The organization should be embarrassed by what took place this weekend. The Dodgers have 8 guys who have been All Stars and Will Smith. Nine if you count Albert. Yet McKinney starts two games. I would why people thinks there’s a lack of urgency. Still the rest of the offense needs to step up. Pitching to Cron was incredibly stupid and yes Ray Charles could see that.
Pitching to Cron? You think we lost this game because we pitched to Cron?
We got shut out. Even if we walked Cron every at bat we still don’t win that game.
Has anyone here ever played this game?
Did I not mention the lineup and lack of the rest of the team stepping up?
I’m not sure how anyone can justify pitching to Cron there. Base open, two outs, a pitcher who is barely a big leaguer at this point and the Rockies hottest hitter up. With injuries to the staff they’re doing the best the can so I’m not on here complaining about who was on the mound but effing stupid to groove one to Cron there.
Giving up a 3 run lead in the 1st inning only exacerbated the tone of the game from the get go. Everyone could see to pitch around him with the lineup we had and before you knew it we were all on the back deck grilling and having beers instead of cutting the lead to 1.5 games, it’s all good though. Got 2 tough series coming up lets win them both.
You mean we can’t win if we don’t score? At least it took a great pitcher having a great season to shut us down today!
Did you watch the game?
That was sarcasm Zeke. We all know Senzatela is not a great pitcher and he damn sure is not having a great year.
😉
And JT is one of the All Stars on the bench resting which puts McKinney on the field then he winds up pitching.
When JT came in to pitch I turned it off. It seemed to me that Roberts gave up on winning the game. It makes no difference that JT pitched a scoreless inning or not. If the score was something like 9-0 then I could understand but we were only down by 5 runs with 3 outs to go.
I have no idea how many innings we have scores 5 or more runs but I’m sure that figure is more than 10+ and if we could do it that many times why couldn’t we have done that tonite? To put JT out there Roberts told the team we lost so just go thru the motions. To me that’s bullshit.
We’re still good. Everyone chill out.
If not for the Dunning Kruger Effect, this blog would not exist. And Mark would miss out on the entertainment!
I’m too stupid to understand the DKE. I think Mark said I needed to work on my reading comprehension, which was hard to hear coming from someone from Indiana. David Foster Wallace was a genius.
Agree whole heartedly Marcia , and I think we all miss out on the entertainment. So to Mark I take that back about the venom, I see what’s up
Or maybe I just think I do LOL
😉
Today is what’s scary about a one game playoff. When the nothing shows up with an all or nothing offense. Hopefully we’re healthy enough in October where McKinney isn’t starting.
haha, that’s what we said for the last 3 hours.
Maybe this will be the year we sneak up on the gnats and get revenge for 1962.
I’ve been on Bellinger but that was incredible catch today and I love him going to left field today. Small steps!
Yes it was. I was good with him bunting too. During his best seasons he would beat the shift now and then with a good bunt.
I have no idea what the Dunning-Krueger effect is, and what is more important, I do not care. What I do care about is winning. Not losing. And losing games like this is embarrassing. Of course, on any given day one major league team can beat another even if the other team is vastly superior to their team. And it happened twice in this series. But the fact of the matter is that it has less to do with Roberts line up choices and everything to do with the fact that the offense has been flat all month, even when they went on that winning streak. The pen is overworked because they only have 3 starting pitchers who can give them any kind of length. Betts has not had a real chance to be a difference maker yet. The guys who were being the stars and driving in the runs and being consistent all of a sudden are all in a slump at the same time. Only Smith and Pollock have been consistent run producers lately. If I have a bitch with today’s lineup it would be sitting Smith. Barnes has shown little to no offense lately except for his HR in San Diego last week. And the guys who continually call Roberts a POS are way off base. You do not win games at a 60 percent clip in the majors being a POS. He is a lot smarter than you or I. And he has information none of us have. He does not hit, pitch or throw. He does not field, nor does he run the bases. What he does it put players in the game, and then it is up to them to perform. So when they lose, put the blame where it belongs. On the players. They are the ones who succeed or fail. Oh and by the way, you are not walking Cron in the first inning with 2 runners on and 1 out. You pitch to him. White threw him a cookie and he ate it.
Sorry Bear , but there were two outs and a 178 hitter on deck Cron is so hot you couldn’t put him out with a 747 air tanker so I beg to disagree
But as it turned out it didn’t matter anyway with all our hitters or I should say most of them had a slump together
Mitch did throw him a cookie but it was Doc who handed him the box of thin mints
Sorry no name, but you trust your pitcher in the first inning. And loading the bases for any hitter is dangerous. A .170 hitter can beat you just as easily as Cron could. It would not have made any difference anyway since they could not score. And Cron is not Babe Ruth. Had they pitched him like they did the game before, we would not even be talking about it. You throw a cookie to any hitter, he will usually beat you. You can disagree all you like. But I disagree with you.
Like I said there were two outs not one. And I don’t think a 170 hitter could beat you as easily as somebody who’s been hitting like Babe Ruth lately.If it was Scherzer,Buehler or Urias yes, but White shouldn’t have been put in that position. I guess we agree to disagree
So tell me how you justify having 3 starters out??? Yes it is dummy roberts who puts our players in the lineup to be successful or not. When he makes bad decisions like he did today we are likely to lose….what the last 4 in our lineup had an overall average of what .150?? So you expect those four to perform better than the norm for us to win. Most of us with any baseball sense could see we were in trouble today before the first pitch. Get REAL if aren’t concerned with us winning the division by playing less than our best and if that is satisfactory to you or roberts to just play well enough to get into the playoffs as a wild card, I can’t support that!!
Roberts is not a dummy and you have never managed a major league team. You do nothing but bitch about the manager all the time. You are the one who needs to get real. I would bet you have no clue how the team feels. I would also bet they are trying to win the division. I do not think Roberts makes up the lineup just so they will lose. But right now, most of their better hitters are all slumping at the same time. They have been playing short handed for a long time, especially where it comes to pitching. All these bullpen games are taking a toll on the pitchers. And when your four best hitters seem to all be slumping at the same time, is makes it even harder to score. No one expected a guy with a 4 plus ERA and the kind of ERA he had against the Dodgers to pitch the kind of game he did. White gave up 3. So what? If the offense was better, they would have come back and won the game. That is not on the manager. That is on the professional baseball players on the field. Only he and the FO knows who is feeling what. He has rested his regulars ever since he took over as manager. And it gave him good weapons off of the bench had they mounted any kind of attack which they did not. So is it Roberts fault that the team mustered 3 hits? No. It is on the players to perform and they did not. If you want to know how Roberts justifies who he sits and who plays,.why don’t you ask him. Better yet, complain to the front office that the manager is deliberately losing games by sitting his stars. I am sure AF would love to hear what you have to say. Bitching about it here is your right. But unless you know the reasons, You are just pissing in the wind.
So are the Dodgers paying you to agree with every decision they make regarding lineups, pitching moves, in game decisions??? You are so full of yourself and such a homer that it is hard to believe anything that comes out of your mouth! So it makes no difference to you in our chances to win a game like yesterday with the lineup we used??…..no difference in facing Cron or a .178 hitter??…that we used our supposed closer in a game we are losing 5-0??…that Turner was given the ball to pitch on his rest day?? etc. Just a few examples on how the game was mismanaged yesterday. I am guessing you would find a way to support all those decisions which further supports my feelings that you are full of you no what and are as clueless as our dummy manager! Nobody here wants to win more than I do but to continually say that every decision made by DR and AF is the right decision just shows your stupidity!
I do not have to justify it. Roberts does.
The Dunning-Krueger Effect has corroborated with a new study-the Joe Biden Effect.
Preview of Atlanta Series. Smyly starts tonights game. Only 1 Dodger has a homer against him, Trea Turner. Bellinger, Betts, and JT along with Trea are the only Dodgers with hits off of him. Against Urias, only Freeman has a HR. Soler, Adrianza, Freeman and Albies are the only Braves with hits off of Urias. Against Morton, Bellinger, Betts, Taylor, and Pujols have hits off of him, no Dodger HR’s. Against Buehler, Freeman has a HR, but no Brave is hitting over .200 off of Butane. Against Freid, both Turners and Bellinger have homered off of him. Betts, Bellinger, Pollock, Muncy, Pujols and both Turners have hit him well. Against Scherzer, the Braves have 8 HR’s, Freeman with 3 and d’Arnaud 2. But again, only Freeman at .227 is over .200 against Max.
Vesia is sort of this year’s version of VGon–the new-lefty-on-the-block who is flashing excellence and opening some eyes. The real test could come in the playoffs. I hope VGon gets well and competes. A lot of talented, productive relievers won’t make the roster. Reports on Gonsolin and Kershaw are promising…. When will we see Duffy?
Here’s hoping that a platoon will help Belli solve his problems. Thank goodness AJ and Taylor have picked up the slack–and now Mookie is back.
Nice of the Giants to finally lose a game. I was getting a bit nervous when the Braves were coming back. So much talent on the Dodgers–but so inconsistent. It just feels like the Giants, without nearly as much talent, have a competitive edge that has been lacking in Dodgers.