I was 8 or 9 when my neighbor, Tony Silva, took me to my first-ever Dodger baseball game at the L. A. Coliseum. I can still conjure up in my mind, the images of the bright lights, the smell of the Dodger dogs, and the sound of Vin Scully and Jerry Doggett traveling throughout the stadium over the ever-present transistor radios. My most vivid memory, however, was that of a tall, rangy player, named Don Demeter. I had collected many of his baseball cards, but he was not one of the “stars” of the team, although I knew he was one they looked upon to replace the legendary Duke Snider in Center Field. That night he hit a home run and a double, and I remember Vin Scully saying that he “galloped” to second base. Being a long tall string bean myself, who was not too well acquainted with coordination, the thought of being able to gallop like Don Demeter became a dream (one I never achieved, I might add), and he became, for the time being, my favorite player (other than Sandy Koufax and Gil Hodges, of course).
Let me introduce you to Don Demeter. Much of what is written here comes from an article written by Jonathan Arnold, for the Society for American Baseball Research and a YouTube video put together by his granddaughter, Kendrick Demeter, wherein she interviewed her grandfather.
Don Demeter played major‑league baseball for 11 seasons, with the Dodgers, Phillies, RedSox Tigers and Indians. A man of deep Christian faith, he was a member of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and is currently a pastor emeritus of the Grace Community Baptist Church in Oklahoma City, where he served as lead pastor for many years after his retirement from baseball.
Donald Lee Demeter was born on June 25, 1935, in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. Don’s father was a painting contractor and his mother a housewife. When he was about 10, the family moved to Denver. A little over a year later, his parents broke up and he was sent to live with his grandparents back in Oklahoma City. His mother remarried to a man from Keene, New Hampshire and Don spent a winter there but soon returned to Oklahoma City where he went through high school. During his high school years, he lived with a foster family, who instilled in him the faith that carries him to this day. His foster father, George Stevens, was a Sunday School superintendent and chairman of the deacons at a local Baptist church. As Don recalls: “I saw their family life, and that’s what I wanted for my family. He was a real witness and testimony for me.”
Don’s interest in baseball began around fifth grade ‑‑ the first time his school had offered organized ball teams. “I was always able to run faster than most of the kids. All the kids had an interest in baseball. There wasn’t any television to watch. That’s just what we did ‑‑ we went from baseball to basketball to football.” Baseball was his best sport, and from an early age, he knew that was what he wanted to do. “It never dawned on me that I wouldn’t play in the major leagues. If I’d known the odds….”
Don’s uncle, Leland Enochs, his mother’s brother also encouraged him along the way, frequently taking Don to watch a Double‑A baseball team in Oklahoma City. He would also come and watch him play while he was on the Capitol Hill High School team in Oklahoma City. Don also played Y League baseball locally. Team members received passes to see the Texas League pro team play, so Don and uncle Leland hit all the games ‑‑ seeing visiting teams from cities like Fort Worth, Dallas, and Houston. “I became really interested at that point,” he says. “I got to watch a guy play that I roomed within the major leagues. He played for Fort Worth. Don Hoak.” When they were both on the Philadelphia Phillies as roommates, the subject came up. “Don didn’t believe me but I showed him some old scrapbooks and, sure enough, I’d gotten his autograph when he was playing for Fort Worth and I was in the kids league.”
Don was a center fielder, and he had quite a high school team. The team won the state championship in both his junior and senior years. 11 boys from the school signed pro contracts ‑‑ nine of them with the Brooklyn Dodgers and two with the Yankees. Don Demeter was the only one to make the major leagues. Ironically, Don was the only boy on the starting high school team who didn’t make Oklahoma City’s All‑City team.
Bert Wells of the Brooklyn Dodgers signed Demeter in 1953 for an $800 bonus. Don began his professional baseball career at the Class‑D Sooner State League, playing for the Shawnee Hawks. A mediocre batting average of .223 did not hold the center fielder back, as he moved up to the Class‑C Bakersfield Indians in 1954, where he had an excellent season, hitting .267 and hitting 26 home runs.
Demeter continued his quick ascension through the deep Dodgers system. In 1955, a strong two months for Pueblo, Texas, of the Class‑A Western League (.262 in 39 games) earned a promotion to Double‑A Mobile of the Southern Association, where he clubbed 11 home runs and hit .251 over the second half of the season. Don also played winter ball in Venezuela for two years, following both the 1954 and 1955 seasons.
In 1956, he was at Fort Worth (Texas League), where his 41
home runs, 128 RBI, and .287 average proved he was ready for the final step.
Don was 21 when the Dodgers called him up to the big leagues that
September. To this day, Demeter recalls
that his first game in the major leagues was his most memorable moment. He and Jim Gentile were called up to the
Dodgers at the same time. He did not
make an appearance that game, but Sal Maglie tossed a no-hitter. Demeter was so excited about being in the
majors, that he didn’t know about the no-hitter until after the game in the
clubhouse. The next night, September 18,
1956, Demeter made his major‑league debut for the Dodgers at Ebbets Field. “My first time at bat, Vinegar Bend Mizell
struck me out. I was so petrified, I didn’t take a swing,” Demeter recalls. The next day, Demeter went to the plate again
in a pinch‑hit role, determined to take the bat off his shoulder. And facing
the Cardinals’ Don Liddle, with his first swing he pounded his first big‑league
home run. “When I hit it,”
says Demeter, “Stan Musial was playing first base, and he said, ‘Nice going,
kid.’ And I thought, ‘Wow.’” “When I came in at the end of the game,” he
says with a laugh, “some of the reporters there had written on the
chalkboard, ‘Demeter ‑ 59 behind Ruth.’”
In the summer of 1956, he was re‑introduced to a former high‑school classmate, Betty Madole, and married her a few months later. They were to have two boys, Russ, born in 1959, and Todd, born in 1962, and a daughter Jill, born during the family’s stay in Boston. On one of his first dates with Betty, Don took her to watch him play. That game he hit 2 home runs and a double. After the game, being sure that he had impressed her, he asked what she thought of the game, to which she responded, “Which one were you?”
He spent the entire 1957 season playing for the St. Paul Saints of the American Association, where he hit 28 home runs and sported a solid .309 batting average. It was then that Don’s father first saw him play baseball when St. Paul paid a visit to play Denver. Don was one of 13 players who were to have been called up by the Dodgers after the minor‑league playoffs were over, but when St. Paul was eliminated on September 21, Brooklyn had just five games left to play. Demeter never appeared on the parent club during the 1957 season. That off-season, he also fit in a stint in the U. S. Army.
In 1958, the Dodgers relocated from Brooklyn to Los Angeles. By that time, Demeter was a “highly regarded power‑hitting outfielder” and began playing for the Los Angeles Dodgers after his Army hitch ended on April 24. He got his first major‑league start a week later against the Pirates. Demeter was very involved in team functions, often helping out at the Los Angeles Food Brokers Club luncheon and at various youth clinics sponsored by the team.
His time with the Dodgers didn’t last long, as he was sent back to St. Paul on May 13. He was batting .283 with 14 home runs and 48 RBI when he was recalled to Los Angeles for good on July 30, 1958, as both Carl Furillo and Duke Snider were ailing. The legendary Walter Alston, had this to say of the promising youngster, “Don can give you the long ball and he can also pull pretty good. As for his outfield play, there’s nothing I could fault him on. He can play all three spots out there.” He made his re‑appearance on August 5 against the Cardinals, and played regularly for the Dodgers the rest of the year, although he struggled at the plate, hitting only .189, with five home runs.
Demeter really started getting noticed in 1959, when the press began calling him “Dangerous” and “Dazzling” Don Demeter. This was especially true when on April 21st he smacked three two‑run home runs, including an inside‑the‑park home run, the last one in the bottom of the 11th to beat the hated Giants, 9‑7. One Los Angeles newspaper even had a contest to give him a nickname. The winning name? “Spee‑Demeter.” He led the Dodgers in RBI through July, although his inconsistency led to spotty playing time as the year wore on. He did finish the year with a respectable .256 batting average, 18 home runs, and 70 RBI.
He helped the Dodgers win the National League pennant that year when they beat the Milwaukee Braves in a two‑game playoff. He started the first game of the playoffs, going one for four, and appeared as a pinch‑hitter in the second game. The Dodgers went on to capture the World Series title against the Chicago White Sox, with Demeter appearing in all six games, starting three, and going 3‑for‑12 (.250), while scoring two runs.
The winter of 1959 had Demeter prominently mentioned in trade talks, especially with Calvin Griffith of the Minnesota Twins. One report had Griffith backing off from a deal when it was rumored that Demeter was going to quit baseball and join the ministry. As it was, Demeter began the 1960 season with the Dodgers, but he fractured his wrist in a collision with Maury Wills on July 3rd, effectively ending his season. Originally thought to be only a sprain, as early x‑rays failed to disclose the fracture, he wasn’t called out for the season until the end of August as the injury took longer to heal than expected. He hit .274, with 9 home runs in 168 at‑bats for the year.
Don Demeter was also an excellent golfer, even playing one‑handed while his wrist was injured in 1960.
Demeter was once again a central figure in trade rumors over the winter, with the Milwaukee Braves, along with the Detroit Tigers and New York Yankees mentioned as possible landing spots. He opened the 1961 campaign still a Dodger, with high hopes for a successful and healthy season. After struggling at the plate, the Dodgers finally traded him along with third baseman Charley Smith to the Phillies for hard‑throwing reliever Dick “Turk” Farrell and light-hitting infielder Joe Koppe. Even though he was hitting only .172 at the time, with one home run, it broke my ten-year-old heart to know that the Dodgers could actually trade my favorite player. Upon joining the Phillies, he finished off strong, hitting .251 with 20 home runs. He also had the second three‑homer game of his career, when he cracked solo, two‑ and three‑run jobs on September 12, driving in a total of seven runs, as the Phillies beat his old team, the Dodgers, and future Hall of Famer Sandy Koufax, 19‑10 (can you even imagine Sandy Koufax losing a game 19-10?) I remember listening to that game on my transistor and thinking to myself, that’s what you get for trading him.
Demeter had his finest season as a professional for the 1962 Phillies, hitting .307, with 29 home runs, and knocking in 107 runs while scoring 85. He finished 12th in the MVP voting that year, leading the NL in sacrifice flies, and ranking sixth with a slugging percentage of .520. In those days, ballparks were big, the ball was soft and shortstops and journeymen weren’t going deep 40 times.
He also began an errorless game streak as an outfielder of
266 games in September of 1962. He wasn’t to make another error until July 1965
when he was with the Tigers, and it ended in a bizarre fashion during a game in
Kansas City. These were the years when owner Charlie Finley kept some mules at
the ballpark. Another Finley gimmick was to have some trained dogs on the
ground crew. In the fifth inning, they would run out onto the field with a base
in their mouth and the crew would change the bases. As Don remembers: “I
have a line drive hit to me and I scooped it up and I guess the ground crew
thought it was the last out and sent a dog onto the field. I scooped the ball
up and threw it to Dick McAuliffe at shortstop. The dog just shot out there and
the ball went through his legs at the same time the dog went through there.”
The runner advanced a base, and the scorer couldn’t charge the dog with the
error so it was assigned to Demeter. He is gracious about it: “I know in my
own mind there were probably some balls on which I should have been given an
error but they didn’t.” He had
completed a total of 449 error‑free chances. His string of error‑free games by
an outfielder stood as the major‑league outfielder record until the Giants’
Darren Lewis broke it in 1994.
Always a team player, Demeter said he didn’t pay attention to his batting average, preferring to emphasize his RBI totals, “That’s the important one as far as I’m concerned. Ask anyone. Runs win ball games.” He did most of his damage in 1962 while playing third base, stepping in when third baseman Andy Carey refused to play for the Phillies. He played 105 games at third, 63 in the outfield, and even one game at first base. His manager, Gene Mauch, went out of his way to praise Demeter’s work ethic, “… he grinds it out every day, with the best disposition in the world. And now he’s established himself in three positions ‑‑ a greater value to himself and any team.”
In February 1963 he traveled to Japan with Bobby Richardson, to spread the gospel, which he called one of the great spiritual experiences of his life. Demeter went on to have another solid season for the fourth‑place Phillies in 1963, with a career-high of 154 games. Once again, he played the outfield and both corner infield positions. His batting average was just .258, but he hit 22 home runs and had 83 RBI.
On December 5, 1963, the Phillies traded him to Detroit along with Jack Hamilton (who later earned the undying enmity of all Red Sox fans when he beaned Tony Conigliaro during the 1967 season) for pitcher Jim Bunning and journeyman catcher Gus Triandos. Chuck Dressen, the Tigers manager, was pleased to get the more “consistent” Demeter to replace Rocky Colavito, who had been traded to Kansas City the previous month. Dressen said “Don is a better all‑around player than Colavito. He is a better runner and a better fielder.” Dressen went on with more praise for Demeter. “We simply had to get a top‑flight outfielder. Actually, there were only two outfielders we considered. The other was Felipe Alou. I consider him [Demeter] one of the best outfielders in the game today.” Bunning went on to win 74 games for the Phillies in the next four years, as well as pitching a perfect game (caught by Triandos.)
Demeter had a tough time his first year in Detroit, as his playing time was sporadic. He ended up with very similar numbers to his 1963 campaign ‑ .256 average, 22 home runs, and 80 RBI, although his at‑bats fell from 515 to 441 due to a series of nagging injuries.
Demeter continued to wear his faith proudly as a member of the “Fellowship of Christian Athletes.” No less a luminary than Jim Murray of the Los Angeles Times wrote an article on Don’s calm attitude and religious convictions. Fans would send him Bibles, which he would autograph with a proverb.
Going into the 1965 season, the Tigers showed renewed confidence in their center fielder. “Demeter’s hitting looked better than it did in the box score,” said interim manager Bob Swift, serving due to Charlie Dressen’s heart attack, “because he drove in the tying or go‑ahead run in 28 games. He’ll be getting a second‑year look at American League pitching… and we still like the Demeter‑for‑Bunning trade.”
He started the campaign strongly, hitting .300 after the first couple of weeks. A highlight of the season came on August 12, when he drove in seven runs on a single, triple, and grand slam in an 11‑1 thrashing of the Kansas City Athletics. He finished the year hitting .278, but once again declined in at-bats, with only 389, home runs (16), and RBI (58), splitting time between the outfield (82 games, at all three positions mostly in center and right field) and first base (34 games), as the Tigers finished fourth, 13 games behind the league‑leading Minnesota Twins.
Demeter began the 1966 season as a fourth outfielder and utility man, as the Tigers had a logjam in the outfield, with Willie Horton, Mickey Stanley, and Al Kaline envisioned as the starting trio, and Norm Cash holding down first base. He played sporadically, appearing in only 32 games, batting a mere .212 for the Tigers, before being traded to the Red Sox on June 14. He accompanied minor‑league reliever Julio Navarro to Boston, as the Tigers got pitcher Earl Wilson and former New York Mets outfielder Joe Christopher, who was assigned to the minor leagues. Haywood Sullivan was glad to get the versatile Demeter, “Although we regret giving up Earl Wilson, we think we have obtained a great outfielder in Demeter who has always hit well at Fenway Park.” Manager Billy Herman echoed Sullivan’s praise when he said, “This gives us a solid outfield. In Demeter, we have a right‑handed hitter who can hit the wall in our ballpark.”
However, once again, the trade would prove to be a lopsided one for the team losing Demeter, as Wilson went on to star for the Tigers. One scribe went so far as to describe the trade as “the best deal Detroit has made since it got rid of the Edsel.” Wilson even hit a grand slam against his former teammates on August 13, 1966, leading the Tigers to 13‑1 victory. The trade was linked with Billy Herman’s eventual firing as the Red Sox manager late in the season, as Wilson went on to go 18‑11 (13‑6 as a Tigers hurler) for the season while Demeter played only part-time.
Demeter played mostly center field for the Red Sox in 1966, hitting .292 with 9 home runs in 73 games for them. His final statistics for the year were down once again, with only 14 home runs, 41 RBI, and a .268 batting average. The Red Sox staggered to a ninth‑place finish, a half‑game ahead of the Yankees, but a whopping 26 games behind the eventual World Champion Baltimore Orioles. He ended the season by undergoing tests for a back ailment, which had contributed to his limited playing time.
Demeter was expected to compete with rookie Reggie Smith and Jose Tartabull for playing time in center field in the spring of 1967. He played all three outfield positions, as well as one game at third for the team before being traded on June 4 with Tony Horton to Cleveland for pitcher Gary Bell, who went on to be an important hurler for the pennant-winning Red Sox. His most memorable hit for the Impossible Dream team came on May 14 as his second double of the day was the 28th extra‑base hit of the day’s doubleheader, breaking a 62‑year‑old AL record for most extra-base hits, combined, while the Red Sox swept the Tigers in a doubleheader, 8‑5 and 13‑9. Demeter was hitting .279 for the Red Sox at the time of the trade, with only one home run and four RBI. “I enjoyed playing in Boston. Mr. Yawkey had the club at the time. He was very much a players’ owner. Those were enjoyable times for us.” Naturally, looking back, there is some disappointment that he wasn’t there for the pennant run ‑‑ but he believes there would probably not have been a pennant run if he’d stayed.” “I tell Gary Bell this a lot when I see him at golf tournaments. Had they not traded me and got Gary, I don’t think they would have won. Gary won 12 games for them. That’s exactly the truth. He helped them far more than I would have.” Don adds, “He always shows me his World Series ring and tells me it’s mine.”
For Cleveland, Demeter continued to play all three outfield positions, as well as one game at third base. But he hit only .207 for the Indians, with five home runs and 12 RBI. Two of the homers came in the same game, in a 5‑3 loss to the New York Yankees. It would prove to be his final season in the majors, as nagging injuries and a suspect heart led to his retirement the next spring. In his last start, on August 27, he had two hits, including a single in his final at‑bat. His last plate appearance in the major leagues came the next day when he was hit by a pitch as a pinch hitter. He was sold to Detroit on August 31 but the sale was later canceled when a physical uncovered a heart problem, called “a disturbance of the athlete’s coronary artery circulation,” causing him to sit out the rest of the season. It was really an irregular heartbeat, and after he had returned home, Demeter received a better diagnosis. “It turned out it was just a dietary thing. I just needed to learn to eat right. I’ve had no problems since then. When I went to Cleveland, though, I knew I was just about finished although I was only 31 years of age. I couldn’t get to balls that I used to get to. And I don’t think I had the desire. Our kids were just about the age where you had to take them out of school and put them in another school, and I wanted stability for them at home. I had thought that if I could play five years in the major leagues, that would be wonderful, and it turned out that I played twice that much.”
When he returned home and received the reassuring diagnosis, Detroit indicated they wanted to “buy him back” but he decided it was time to call it a career.
After his baseball career ended, Don went on to become an insurance agent, as well as founding a swimming pool installation company that his son Russ now runs. He appeared in old‑timers games for the Dodgers, while continuing to be very involved with his church, where he became a pastor. He was named the president of the minor‑league Oklahoma City 89ers baseball team in November 1973, though that didn’t work out too well; the owner really knew little about running a baseball team. Demeter had an unsuccessful run for the state legislature as a Republican candidate in 1976. In 1999, he was inducted into the Brooklyn Dodgers Hall of Fame.
His sons, Russ and Todd became ballplayers and local stars at U.S. Grant High School, sharing The Oklahoman ‘s Player of the Year award in 1977. The Demeter’s’ daughter Jill has four children, two girls, and two boys. The boys are currently playing high school baseball and Don deems them very good athletes. Russ went on to play college ball at Oklahoma. Todd, a slugging first baseman, was a second‑round pick of the New York Yankees in 1979, going 17 rounds ahead of Don Mattingly, and eventually signing for a record bonus for the club at that time. He signed for $208,000 in 1979 after he threatened to go to college. “Todd played five years in the minor leagues. Anymore when you sign, they want your life. They want your whole dedication. He didn’t want to do that. I’m thankful that they went with their hearts and real loves. Although baseball has been good to us, God is what we rally around.” And God is what the Demeters rallied around in November 1996, when Todd died, losing a battle with cancer. “I don’t know how anything could be tougher than that,” Don Demeter says. “There’s a number of ways to look at it. Not many people are lucky enough to have three kids like I did. It’s tough to lose them. But if I didn’t believe in the sovereignty of God, it would be tough, if I didn’t think I’d be able to see them again.” “There’s not a day that goes by that I don’t think about that. But I have to heal knowing that what God does, he does right.”
Demeter’s faith‑filled life isn’t something new. Jim Murray, the legendary columnist of the
Los Angeles Times, once wrote about Demeter carrying his Bible to the
ballpark. He wrote of him not wearing
his religion on his sleeve, but that it was simply who he was, willing to talk
to anybody who inquired about the Lord.
Don still does some swimming pool sales for his son, but primarily devotes his life to the church. He was the pastor of a small Southern Baptist church in Oklahoma City, the Grace Community Baptist Church, which he helped form. Now at 83, he is Pastor Emeritus. Former Yankees pitcher Tom Sturdivant was a member of the church community, and one of his closest friends until he died in 2009. A number of the boys he played high school ball with coming to the church as well.
Although not a star, Don Demeter has been inducted into the Brooklyn Hall of Fame, the Oklahoma Sports Hall of Fame and the Capitol Hill High School Athletic‑Activities Association Hall of Fame. As Demeter sums it up, “I loved baseball, but at the same time didn’t truly ‘love’ it. I had the compassion to play it at my best, but baseball is short-lived and played for the applause of men, while my Christian life is the opposite. I’m through with baseball, but I will never be through being a Christian.”
Don Demeter was among my first heroes as a baseball player. He is more so today as a man!

2D2 – you really went full-bore on this one. Well done and putting some pressure on the rest of us. He was a better player than perhaps some of us remember and was/is an exemplary man.
He hit for more power than I remember but was a Dodger for only four years so I expect I stopped following him. His outfield errorless streak some how I remember but had no idea it was 266 games and 449 chances nor that the total chances was a record that stood until 1994.
Thanks for the refresher course.
Thank you DC! let’s be real though, I can’t hold a candle to you, AC and Mark when it comes to writing. You folks are the straw that stirs this blogs drink!!
Greta read, great job keep pushing
Very nice , my father liked Demeter and often talked to me about him and pitcher Karl Spooner.
2D2, like DC, I remember Demeter, but not that he was a favorite of mine. I guess I remember him as fondly as I do Joc. I recognize that they are good, but am rather indifferent. As long as they were/are Dodgers I am a fan. Both came up with power and defense as weapons, and both were/are good but not real stars. Good complimentary pieces to a championship team. I like Joc’s personality more than that I remember of Demeter’s.
What I was not aware of until this article was what kind of person Demeter is. People who are good players are entertaining and are enjoyable to watch. Players who are good people are more meaningful to our overall societal character. I know that JT and Kershaw get a lot of deserved praise for their philanthropic work, but Joc also is a good human with his work with his family’s Live Like a Champ Foundation, named for his older brother Champ Pederson, who has Down Syndrome. I love stories about good people.
Thanks for a great write up on Don Demeter.
I readily admit that my fandom of Demeter was tied into his performance in my first ever in person Dodger game. I think the Demeter-Joc comparison is very good. Once Demeter was traded, I didn’t follow him as I did while he was a Dodger. Back then, my only Dodger news came through the Herald Examiner and the Long Beach Press-Telegram and listening to the games on the radio. We didn’t have the 24-7 coverage that you have today.
I did not become aware of the type of man Demeter is until I started reading up on him in the past 6 months. Like you, I enjoy stories about good people. Demeter is a good man. As are Joc, JT and Kershaw. I think Joc gets looked down upon at times because he doesn’t interview well. Every time Allana Rizzo interviews him, he looks uncomfortable in his own skin. It is my understanding, however, that his teammates love him and he does great work through his foundation for his brother, Champ. You can tell whenever they are together that their love is genuine and runs deep.
Off topic – Happy 66th Birthday to MT!!
I remember Steve Demeter playing third base for the Rochester Red Wings of the International league. He was Mr Clutch in the 60s !
Happy B-Day MT! Act Surprised!
The Athletic on a Lindor trade to the Dodgers.
Option 1 Lindor for Lux and Ruiz
Option 2 Lindor for Verdugo or Gonsolin and Ruiz
They also spoke of expanding the deal.
Option 3 Lindor and Kluber for Verdugo, Gonsolin and Ruiz?
They mention that the Dodgers won’t trade Lux and that Lindor would play SS with Seager sliding over to 2B.
Which option would you choose and why?
Lineup with Option 3
Lindor SS – S
Pollock CF – R
Seager 2B – L
Bellinger RF – L
Turner 3B – R
Muncy 1B – L
Smith C – R
Joc / Lux / Kike LF
Personally, I don’t see how Lindor is a fit. Is he a middle of the order RH bat that we need? Or, is he more of a leadoff/2-hole? Sure you get to keep Lux, but does it makes sense when he hasn’t played a single game in the outfield? Trea Turner did not adjust well to CF. The bullpen is already very middling. I would like to hold onto Gonzo and let him be what Urias was last year, or maybe even the other closer. He’s the one guy that has a decent amount of experience closing games that’s already on the 40-man.
Thoughts?
I agree with you – I don’t think that Lindor is a fit for the Dodgers, as the roster is presently constructed. Moreover, the the trade price suggested by Bowden is way too much for a player with only 2 years of control.
In defense of Bowden (never thought I’d type those words), he did say Lindor would have to sign an extension at the time of the trade for this (a trade for Lux) to work.
Agree with both of you. I love Lindor, but I’m not ready to give up those guys for 2 years of control, especially considering that we aren’t in any desperate need for a shortstop.
Maeda, Joc and Downs for Lindor I would do, but I doubt the Indians would.
If Lindor isn’t the best fit, what is? Mookie Betts, Rendon, Donaldson?
If Mookie, what does the outfield look like? Betts, Belli, Pollock? Let’s be realistic here. Pollock doesn’t have a lot of trade value and is the only RH hitting outfielder. No, Taylor and Kike are not better outfielders than Pollock.
If Rendon/Donaldson, do you deal with Muncy at 2B and block Lux for a year and say goodbye to Turner when his contract is up? With Turner losing a step and Muncy not that great with the glove is that the defense you want on the right side of the infield?
This is me just trying to answer your question. As I’ve stated before I don’t think the Dodgers should mess with the current offense and should spend the money on pitching instead.
As I’ve stated before, I believe a platoon of Pederson and Pollock would produce better results than any 1 player including Betts.
But to answer your question on who is the best fit, it would be Rendon because he is a free agent and is better than free agent Donaldson.
Turner to 1B, Muncy to 2B, Lux to SS and Rendon 3B. This leaves Seager to be traded.
I don’t get caught up on defensive stats. Also I don’t find anything wrong with Muncy’s defense at any position I have seen him play 1B 2B 3B.
To everybody who are big Seager fans, I’m just trying to answer 59inarow’s question on who is the best fit. I personally would not mess with the current offense and would rather spend the money on pitching.
Lux over Seager. That’s pretty ballsy. You do realize that Lux’s OPS was over 100 points lower than Seager?
Yes. I’m just looking at Seager being a BorASS client and only 2 years left on his contract. That’s the only reason why. It’s a tough call.
Wow I cant stand Houston for what they did! I was wondering y they kept hitting the shit out of our players so disrespectful
Cant get over it my bad guys
I really enjoy reading about past players, not just their playing career but life after baseball. It’s a joy to become acquainted with good people that are far more than just a name in the box score. Well done 2d2. Very enjoyable.
Speaking of careers after baseball, I just read an interesting article about James Carter, a minor league pitcher with the Dodgers. He is now James Turlington, a rising international fashion model. I find the various paths through life so interesting.
Thanks again 2d2.
I was young when the Dodgers came out here, was very excited, bu they had a terrible season. The LA Times sports section would have a little box with “major league leaders” in various categories. No Dodger led in anything for that entire season. But after Demeter hit those three home runs, and then a few more early, he was right up there among the leaders in HRs for a while, which was very exiting for me, and I will always remember him for that, plus his outfield skills and fleetness of foot. And he did have a very long and respectable MLB career. I have some of his baseball cards.
On the Dodgers in general, I noted the pickup by the Braves of Will Smith, one of the better relief pitchers. He is a big addition for Atlanta, and I think makes them the favorite in the NL next year, unless the Dodgers do something to fix the bullpen. So far, the Dodgers have not done anything, and I do not know why they didn’t pick up Smith, unless they don’t want to spend the money, or have a better idea in mind.
Again, you are assuming that at 31 years old, he will do better than he has in 2019, his career year. He costs a lot and ATL has to give up a draft pick. Maybe it will be a good deal, but I think the odds are he regresses, just like Kenley. He’s only a little over a year younger than Jansen.
I loved your article 2D2. And, do not sell yourself short. You are very good and always interesting writer. I was most curious about the player “Vinegar Bend Mizell.” Wonder how he got the name. You said it broke your heart when they traded Demeter. I will be heartbroken if Joc or Seager gets traded. Thanks 2D2.
He was born near Vinegar Bend, Alabama. His real name was Wilmer David Mizell. After his 14 year baseball career, he was a three term congressman from North Carolina. He died in 1999.
As always, thank you for your kind comments. I too, would disappointed if they trade Joc or Seager, although I can better understand the business aspects of such a trade now, than I could when I was 10 years old.
Thanks 2D2.
Oh forgot, sorry. A very happy “29 and holding” birthday, Mark. Have a great day with your family.
Saw Demeter play back in 1960 at the Coliseum. Good hitter and had some power. Well researched article today.
As to Lindor, I just can’t see him being traded, which means he’ll be traded on the second day of the winter meetings. As to the proposed trade options, no to both and no to the expanded trade.
I get it, Lindor is a talent. But Cory Seager is a very good shortstop and with a full season after the surgeries, I expect him to have a great 2020. Did everybody suddenly forget how good he is, rookie of the year, plus all the clutch hits. Remember the Colorado game, Vin Scully’s last game at Dodger Stadium, it was Seager who got a hit to tie the game, then when the Rockies went back in front, it was Seager’s homerun with two outs in the bottom of the ninth to send the game into extra innings, setting up Charlie Culbertson’s game winning homer.
Seager has said numerous times he’s a shortstop, which doesn’t sound like he wants to move to second or third. You want a third baseman, spend the money and sign Anthony Rendon or Josh Donaldson.
The problem with trading for Lindor or signing a third baseman, it creates an infield log jam. What happens with Gavin Lux or Max Muncy? The outfield is already jammed. If the Dodgers really want to resolve 3B for the next few years, then Rendon is the best option. If Justin Turner hits .290 with 25 homeruns next year, wouldn’t you bring him back? Fan favorite and a very productive player.
Something has to give …
I remember not liking Don Demeter because he was going to replace Duke before I understood that Duke wouldn’t play through age 100. I exaggerated some there.
Lindor trade:
No to Option 1 Lindor for Lux and Ruiz
Maybe to Option 2 Lindor for Verdugo or Gonsolin and Ruiz
They also spoke of expanding the deal.
Maybe to Option 3 Lindor and Kluber for Verdugo, Gonsolin and Ruiz?
Adding Lindor would give the Dodgers a chance to upgrade their defense. Lux at second would do the same thing and maybe Seager to third would as well. That leaves out Muncy or Turner. Oops.
Muncy, Pollock or Joc, and a pitching prospect for Betts?
Now that would be going bold, that would be a Boss Move. Sign Rendon AND trade for Betts!
Muncy and Pollock for Betts. Okay, then move Bellinger back to first in 2021 when Turner’s contract expires.
Dodgers have a ton of AAV coming off the books in 2022 if they don’t sign Rendon or Cole.
Lindor
Seager
Betts
Bellinger
Turner
Pederson
Smith
Lux
Buehler
Kershaw
Kluber
Urias
May
Diaz
Jansen
Pomeranz
Fergusson
Baez
Stripling
With those righty bats, few would notice Joc in the lineup against lefties.
I could live with that! 1-5 is downright scary. 6-8 would do a ton of damage. Let’s do it!
You really think the Sox would take Pollock’s contract? He’s owed an average of 15 mil over the next three years and another 5 to buy out year four.
I’m guessing they say “no” to that deal.
Yes
“Yes” you think they would take Pollock or “yes” you think they would say “no”?
In either case, and knowing I may be in the minority, I don’t want to give up Muncy for two years of Lindor if we still plan to keep Seager who doesn’t want to play third. If you plan to trade Seager, what do you think you could get in return. I’m willing to be persuaded.
Yes.
I really don’t know what to do if another infielder is obtained except I want to Lux to be the second baseman. His quickness has impressed me. Really quick hands. Muncy would seem to have the hitting approach the Dodgers want but Seager is the superior player.
If Lindor is obtained with the players listed, then I would want an Ace for Seager if he were traded or Torres. The Yankees will need a shortstop if Didi doesn’t re-sign and they will want/need a lefty bat. Maybe Aaron Nola, Philadelphia Phillies or Shane Bieber, Cleveland Indians.
I’m just tossing out names.
Remember, Seager only has two years of control, same as Lindor. I don’t see any way you get Nola or Bieber for Seager. As they say, “therein lies the rub” (I bet that’s the first time Shakespeare has been quoted here in awhile). Of course if we added Maeda and Kike and Joc………………………………………………………..